Game Day 2012 - R3 Western Bulldogs vs St Kilda

[AndrewP6]

Re: Game Day 2012 - R3 Western Bulldogs vs St Kilda

I think a lot of people are avoiding the big white elephant sitting in the corner ...
IMO McCartney got a free ride today ... We got rid of Rocket for ???????

I was always against the change. I am yet to see anything that tells me it was the right move. Talk is cheap, and we have gone backwards, IMO.

[AndrewP6]

Re: Game Day 2012 - R3 Western Bulldogs vs St Kilda

I've run the whole gamut tonight, now I'm just plain sad that we have regressed so far in such a relatively short time. What an embarrassing, humiliating performance from a team, that almost made the big dance a few years back. I'm simply gutted. And I'm up really late too

[Scraggers]

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And I really hope that they allow McCartney the tools and time that he will need to get us going again, and not make him the fall-guy in two years time.

Again ... Agreed !! I was a huge advocate for keeping Rocket ... I was so disappointed when the board (in its infinite wisdom) decided not to renew Rocket's contract ... I believed then, as I do now the best way to ensure success is continuity of leadership (I'm thinking Sheedy and Essendon ... Not to say Rocket should have been given 25 years, but I thought another extension was in order ... ANYWAY ... I'm rambling ... Back to your point, we can't go backwards; we have to move forward and therefore I hope McCartney is given every opportunity and every resource possible.

Agree with this. Think it's too early to call for the coaches head

I'm not calling for his head; I just believe he should be accountable for tonight's performance (as much as the players anyway ... The way they are being berated here)

[angelopetraglia]

Re: Game Day 2012 - R3 Western Bulldogs vs St Kilda

The loss of Ward and Harbrow really hurts. The power clubs (i.e. Essendon, Carlton, Collingwood etc.) have been untouched by the expansion teams while we lose two players in an age bracket we could not afford to lose.

Boyd played a lone hand in the midfield last night. He had 133 SuperCoach points. Our next best midfielder was Cooney with 85. StKilda had six mids higher than 115. Another hard head in their to help Boyd would be priceless.

If we still had Harbrow, he could be playing the Robert Murphy creative role down back and Murphy could be providing some options across half-forward.

The expansion has benefited many, but has hurt us very bad.

[ReLoad]

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There is quite a bit of “we shouldn’t post immediately after a game” Syndrome happening in here.

Let’s set a few things straight:

Clay Smith; It is his 3rd day at work, that’s right 3rd day and some of you are all over him like ants on dropped paddle pop. Enough of that nonsense. The kid has more guts and intestinal fortitude than the majority of our players, being so young I have some faith that he can be taught to address the deficiencies in his game, his kicking may not be perfect but let’s get stuck into him after his 75th game. To those that said “I told you so we shouldn’t have selected him” – Great feel better? Want a noddy badge?, you sound like a Richmond supporter. The kid is an extraction machine, i could not ask for more of a first year player than what he has done already.

Brendan McCartney; The guy knows what it’s like to be in a winning situation, he knows the formula, he knows the hard work that needed for a team to be as good as the cats. Does he have the cattle o do it? Hell No! Has he had the time to do it? Hell no! Saying it’s his fault and we were better off staying with rocket is another ludicrous statement which is probably worthy of a smack in the chops. Is he perfect? also Hell no. He made an obvious mistake with Bobby Murphy, BUT he does have a long term plan, and teaching the boys to put their body on the line is clearly part of it. And its step 1 in the process which was followed by the cats in a defined sequence.

There were many players who played last night that are clearly not up to it and have had years to prove themselves, Addison, Grant, Higgins etc even perhaps Wood in that bucket too (and throw in the Cooney conundrum) (and the loss of the two players to the expansion teams when they were in their primes). They are the ones who are under the pressure; they have had the game time and have shown the best part of bugger all in their development.

So let’s not eat out own, Yes we are in for a crap few years, but with a draft and its mechanisms that’s part of the cycle, we had our shot at it, it’s now our turn to rebuild. How do you think the Cheaters did it? By bottoming out, they had 5 of the crappest years under the sun. We too will have to have pain.

The real question is can the club survive it? Can we get through that period whilst the schanpperheads who will leak to the media, and cause all sorts of internal turmoil have their minutes of fame. Can we financially survive as the members drop off?

Here is where we can help, yes we can be upset we lost etc, but let’s stick fat, let’s show the club how much we love them by not ripping them to shreds, lets spread some enthusiasm about the place and pump up the tyres of our kids, like smith, libba and jonesy.

[Bumper Bulldogs]

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Maybe they should play that famous speech sometime to our players to give them some inspiration.

How about just put these overpaid duds on performance contracts. Yes if you don't play you not get paid. I am not hearing that he team didn't follow instructions so maybe the coach has got it wrong.

Our senior guys will more than likely bounce back next week but is this going to help us long term. As much as it will hurt they may need to trim the senior guys now and blood kids. I would rather get spanked by only having kids than face the fact our starts are not starts and get well and truly over paid and holding ur Club back.

[GVGjr]

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There is quite a bit of “we shouldn’t post immediately after a game” Syndrome happening in here.

Let’s set a few things straight:

Clay Smith; It is his 3rd day at work, that’s right 3rd day and some of you are all over him like ants on dropped paddle pop. Enough of that nonsense. The kid has more guts and intestinal fortitude than the majority of our players, being so young I have some faith that he can be taught to address the deficiencies in his game, his kicking may not be perfect but let’s get stuck into him after his 75th game. To those that said “I told you so we shouldn’t have selected him” – Great feel better? Want a noddy badge?, you sound like a Richmond supporter. The kid is an extraction machine, i could not ask for more of a first year player than what he has done already.

Brendan McCartney; The guy knows what it’s like to be in a winning situation, he knows the formula, he knows the hard work that needed for a team to be as good as the cats. Does he have the cattle o do it? Hell No! Has he had the time to do it? Hell no! Saying it’s his fault and we were better off staying with rocket is another ludicrous statement which is probably worthy of a smack in the chops. Is he perfect? also Hell no. He made an obvious mistake with Bobby Murphy, BUT he does have a long term plan, and teaching the boys to put their body on the line is clearly part of it. And its step 1 in the process which was followed by the cats in a defined sequence.

There were many players who played last night that are clearly not up to it and have had years to prove themselves, Addison, Grant, Higgins etc even perhaps Wood in that bucket too (and throw in the Cooney conundrum) (and the loss of the two players to the expansion teams when they were in their primes). They are the ones who are under the pressure; they have had the game time and have shown the best part of bugger all in their development.

So let’s not eat out own, Yes we are in for a crap few years, but with a draft and its mechanisms that’s part of the cycle, we had our shot at it, it’s now our turn to rebuild. How do you think the Cheaters did it? By bottoming out, they had 5 of the crappest years under the sun. We too will have to have pain.

The real question is can the club survive it? Can we get through that period whilst the schanpperheads who will leak to the media, and cause all sorts of internal turmoil have their minutes of fame. Can we financially survive as the members drop off?

Here is where we can help, yes we can be upset we lost etc, but let’s stick fat, let’s show the club how much we love them by not ripping them to shreds, lets spread some enthusiasm about the place and pump up the tyres of our kids, like smith, libba and jonesy.

This is a great post. Thanks.

Last night was pretty awful, but you've given me much needed perspective. And yes I'm too amazed that smith is being written off. He has an undefinable something and I like what I see.

[Missing Dog]

Re: Game Day 2012 - R3 Western Bulldogs vs St Kilda

Brendan McCartney; The guy knows what it’s like to be in a winning situation, he knows the formula, he knows the hard work that needed for a team to be as good as the cats.

Not quite, he has watched these things happen, he has not made these things happen. It's a pretty different situation.

[Sedat]

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Last night was pretty awful, but you've given me much needed perspective. And yes I'm too amazed that smith is being written off. He has an undefinable something and I like what I see.

Nobody is writing Smith off, but we are entitled to ask the question of why we would use a 1st round ND selection on a contested ball winning animal with questionable disposal skills. We won clearances, inside 50's, and we broke even in CP's, yet we kick 2 goals in 100 mins.. We have other urgent priorities to address to the list.

[ReLoad]

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Not quite, he has watched these things happen, he has not made these things happen. It's a pretty different situation.

So you are saying he did nothing at Geelong but watch? Are you serious?

[ReLoad]

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Nobody is writing Smith off, but we are entitled to ask the question of why we would use a 1st round ND selection on a contested ball winning animal with questionable disposal skills. We won clearances, inside 50's, and we broke even in CP's, yet we kick 2 goals in 100 mins.. We have other urgent priorities to address to the list.

He kicked 4 goals In his first game, you seriously can criticize the selection after 3 games. Last year our contested footy sucked. We didn't draft him this week we drafted him last year.

How about you pump up his tyres before you go headhunting scapegoats

[LostDoggy]

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Not quite, Brendan McCartney has watched these things happen, he has not made these things happen. It's a pretty different situation.

He was an integral part of the process at Geelong , he is our senior coach whether people like it or not , as has been posted our list is slightly out of balance but at the moment we have to pull apart the game against St Kilda and just review the structure , the game plan Macca has put in place will stay , its just a case of building on the positives from the first two games and getting the players to refocus on efficient use of the ball and decision making , I don,t see us making more than two or three changes for the next game

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[Missing Dog]

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Leading a group is different to watching a group be lead. There are different pressures, a different pschology you have to adopt. I don't think it's a great argument that simply because you have seen it happen you can make it happen. It's probably a prerequiste for getting the job in the first place, but it does not guarantee success.

[LostDoggy]

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Leading a group is different to watching a group be lead. There are different pressures, a different pschology you have to adopt. I don't think it's a great argument that simply because you have seen it happen you can make it happen. It's probably a prerequiste for getting the job in the first place, but it does not guarantee success.

So are you saying that Brendan McCartney as the Coach of Ocean Grove just got lucky winning four consecutive Premierships 1994, 1995, 1996 and 1997 ?

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[Sedat]

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He kicked 4 goals In his first game, you seriously can criticize the selection after 3 games. Last year our contested footy sucked. We didn't draft him this week we drafted him last year.

How about you pump up his tyres before you go headhunting scapegoats

The object of my ire isn't Smith - it is our recruiting dept. Our spread from contests and our decision making with ball in hand are almost the worst in comp. First round picks should not be used in 'reach' players.

FWIW I reckon Smith will have a solid AFL career,