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  • Missing Dog
    WOOF Member
    • Jan 2007
    • 8501

    McCartney – Caring Dad vs Angry Dad

    In days of yore, when a team got thumped like we did last night the coach changed his attitude to that of an angry father about to beat his boys up:

    “That was unacceptable, we are going to make changes”
    “It's going to be a tough session on the track this week”
    “We will not tolerate that type of display”

    But when I listened to the McCartney's press conference http://www.westernbulldogs.com.au/video%20%20audio/tabid/8663/contentid/440152/default.asp I heard the exact opposite, the caring loving dad:

    “There's no point making changes, we have to teach our boys the game”
    “The club leaders are going to make a point of talking to the younger players”
    “We are going to put time into decision making”

    The coaches attitude implies that adding feelings of guilt will not help the team, even if performances were not acceptable. It's interesting how the coaches relationship has changed over the years from the fuming distant father to the new style ever present loving dad.

    I thought a point of Boyd's was interesting in the post match. He said:

    “We prepare for each game in the same way”

    Well if that's the case and the team is worse than last year and seemingly getting worse match by match I see no reason why there would be an arrest to the current decline.

    I'd like to see the coach with a bit more of a “you are going to get a boot up the arse” mentality, a bit of bleeding, a bit of passion but perhaps sports psychology theories has passed me by...
  • Ghost Dog
    WOOF Member
    • May 2010
    • 9404

    #2
    Re: McCartney – Caring Dad vs Angry Dad

    Guess we will have to wait to see what happens- if he can arrest the performance of the group. This is a coach with heaps of experience though.
    he also said
    "We know you can't serve up a performance like today. "
    Fans need to hear that.
    You don't develop courage by being happy in your relationships every day. You develop it by surviving difficult times and challenging adversity. ― Epicurus

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    • westdog54
      Bulldog Team of the Century
      • Jan 2007
      • 6683

      #3
      Re: McCartney – Caring Dad vs Angry Dad

      Does what comes out of the press conference make a hell of a lot of difference as far as the club goes?

      Mark Neeld came out swing broadsides left, right and centre after what they served up in round 1, and they continue to be an absolute rabble.

      It might make some of us feel better listening to that sort of stuff, but if there are going to be boots up the backside let it happen behind closed doors within the club. Parading the players around for fans to bring out the rotting fruit won't make me feel any better.

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      • AndrewP6
        Bulldog Team of the Century
        • Jan 2009
        • 8142

        #4
        Re: McCartney – Caring Dad vs Angry Dad

        Originally posted by westdog54
        Does what comes out of the press conference make a hell of a lot of difference as far as the club goes?

        Mark Neeld came out swing broadsides left, right and centre after what they served up in round 1, and they continue to be an absolute rabble.

        It might make some of us feel better listening to that sort of stuff, but if there are going to be boots up the backside let it happen behind closed doors within the club. Parading the players around for fans to bring out the rotting fruit won't make me feel any better.
        Might not directly impact the score line, but it would be nice to see some tangible evidence of commitment, desire, intensity.
        [B][COLOR="#0000CD"]Our club was born in blood and boots, not in AFL focus groups.[/COLOR][/B]

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        • Sedat
          Hall of Fame
          • Sep 2007
          • 11129

          #5
          Re: McCartney  Caring Dad vs Angry Dad

          Exactly the right approach by McCartney. By contrast Neeld throws his toys out of the cot after Round 1 - he has nowhere to go after this, even though his team has arguably been even more pathetic in the next two rounds.
          "Look at me mate. Look at me. I'm flyin'"

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          • AndrewP6
            Bulldog Team of the Century
            • Jan 2009
            • 8142

            #6
            Re: McCartney

            Originally posted by Sedat
            Exactly the right approach by McCartney. By contrast Neeld throws his toys out of the cot after Round 1 - he has nowhere to go after this, even though his team has arguably been even more pathetic in the next two rounds.
            We're getting worse week by week.
            [B][COLOR="#0000CD"]Our club was born in blood and boots, not in AFL focus groups.[/COLOR][/B]

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            • The Bulldogs Bite
              Hall of Fame
              • Dec 2006
              • 11115

              #7
              Re: McCartney

              Originally posted by AndrewP6
              We're getting worse week by week.
              How do you figure?

              We were OK in round one, better in round two, dreadful in round three.

              That reads as inconsistent to me -- not 'getting worse' by the week.
              W00F!

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              • SonofScray
                Coaching Staff
                • Apr 2008
                • 4214

                #8
                Re: McCartney – Caring Dad vs Angry Dad

                Originally posted by PedroArvy

                “There's no point making changes, we have to teach our boys the game”
                “The club leaders are going to make a point of talking to the younger players”

                Thats a worry for me. A lot of talk last year was around how poor our leaders are and IMO it hasn't changed at all. Why would anyone want to listen to blokes who repeatedly turn the ball over, cannot kick, play dumb footy, fail under pressure and ultimately have missed their chance?
                Last edited by GVGjr; 15-04-2012, 01:00 PM. Reason: fixed quote
                Time and Tide Waits For No Man

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                • westdog54
                  Bulldog Team of the Century
                  • Jan 2007
                  • 6683

                  #9
                  Re: McCartney – Caring Dad vs Angry Dad

                  Originally posted by AndrewP6
                  Might not directly impact the score line, but it would be nice to see some tangible evidence of commitment, desire, intensity.
                  But you're not going to get that out of the press room, it can only happen on the field.

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                  • AndrewP6
                    Bulldog Team of the Century
                    • Jan 2009
                    • 8142

                    #10
                    Re: McCartney – Caring Dad vs Angry Dad

                    Originally posted by westdog54
                    But you're not going to get that out of the press room, it can only happen on the field.
                    Don't agree, you can convey that impression in the way you act away from the field.
                    [B][COLOR="#0000CD"]Our club was born in blood and boots, not in AFL focus groups.[/COLOR][/B]

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                    • Rocco Jones
                      Bulldog Team of the Century
                      • Jun 2008
                      • 6924

                      #11
                      Re: McCartney – Caring Dad vs Angry Dad

                      Originally posted by SonofScray
                      Thats a worry for me. A lot of talk last year was around how poor our leaders are and IMO it hasn't changed at all. Why would anyone want to listen to blokes who repeatedly turn the ball over, cannot kick, play dumb footy, fail under pressure and ultimately have missed their chance?
                      Perhaps the issue is that they are listening too much!

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                      • always right
                        WOOF Member
                        • Nov 2007
                        • 4189

                        #12
                        Re: McCartney – Caring Dad vs Angry Dad

                        Originally posted by AndrewP6
                        Don't agree, you can convey that impression in the way you act away from the field.
                        I don't want to see false bravado in a press conference...meaningless. I do however expect blokes to be told some home truths in the club...no reason to think they won't be.
                        I thought I was wrong once but I was mistaken.

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                        • LostDoggy
                          WOOF Member
                          • Jan 2007
                          • 8307

                          #13
                          Re: McCartney – Caring Dad vs Angry Dad

                          At what point is McCartney allowed to be criticized?
                          I'm puzzled as to why we look like going backwards with supposedly better personel back.
                          None of the problems we saw last season look like being solved,in fact we look slower and our skills are becoming worse.

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                          • Ghost Dog
                            WOOF Member
                            • May 2010
                            • 9404

                            #14
                            Re: McCartney

                            Originally posted by Sedat
                            Exactly the right approach by McCartney. By contrast Neeld throws his toys out of the cot after Round 1 - he has nowhere to go after this, even though his team has arguably been even more pathetic in the next two rounds.
                            Well put Sedat. I feel the same way.Incidentally, doesn't Neeld have the funniest facial expressions?
                            You don't develop courage by being happy in your relationships every day. You develop it by surviving difficult times and challenging adversity. ― Epicurus

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                            • AndrewP6
                              Bulldog Team of the Century
                              • Jan 2009
                              • 8142

                              #15
                              Re: McCartney – Caring Dad vs Angry Dad

                              Originally posted by always right
                              I don't want to see false bravado in a press conference...meaningless. I do however expect blokes to be told some home truths in the club...no reason to think they won't be.
                              The presser should be the same tone as the closed door discussion. I disagree that the words are meaningless, they are indicative of mindset. The way we're going, false bravado would be an improvement.
                              [B][COLOR="#0000CD"]Our club was born in blood and boots, not in AFL focus groups.[/COLOR][/B]

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