Eade rants upset players

[LostDoggy]

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Two of the five players that he was reputed to have been really hard on, have since left. I just hope that this year all the team bonds together and gets behind him, and there won't be anymore singling out certain players for the bulk of the blame for poor performance.

[FrediKanoute]

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Two of the five players that he was reputed to have been really hard on, have since left. I just hope that this year all the team bonds together and gets behind him, and there won't be anymore singling out certain players for the bulk of the blame for poor performance.

Now I guess we're talking about Power and McMahon??? Power - fact is that he never worked hard enough and rested heavily on the fact that he was an early draft pick. He was weak at the contest and despite being around for 4 or 5 seasons failed to cement a spot in the side.....he was given numerous opportunities to do so.

McMahon - he had talent and really developed under eade, before going backwards due to personal problems. he for mine is a loss, but then again I think that his leaving allows us to replace him with a guy who may be less skilled, but more physical and defensive, something we need.

[Dry Rot]

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A simple observation: I agree with Harry Truman that "the buck stops with me".

However, I also agree with a quote from Joyce in "Year of the Dogs" when damning the players he said he wished he could get out there and help.

I dunno what happened in those last 7 games, but to just blame Eade excuses some pretty ordinary efforts by our players.

[Bulldog Revolution]

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Its pretty p*ss weak by the players though to suggest that they aren't up to taking a spray. If the coach(s) have given clear instructions and they don't follow them then what do you expect. One thing though that I will say, holding up Geelong as the paradigm of a successful AFL team, maybe what was really lacking was leadership within the group to pull players back into line and let them know that they aren't doing the team thing or aren't following the team plan.

I dont think we are saying Eade shouldn't bake them from time to time Fredi

More that he didn't handle the second half of the season all that well when it went off the rails. Its up to him to provide some of the leadership required, not all of it, but a pretty critical component.

Hopefully out of this off season of scrutiny and reviews will emerge the next generation of on field leaders

[Dry Rot]

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Well if the buck stops with you, you need to take a long hard look at yourself and then get down to Whitten Oval and sort out this mess you've made!

After my secret October negotiations broke down about re-drafting the great Trent Bartlett, I washed my hands of all this.

I tried.

[Go_Dogs]

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Personally, this is an issue that I think gets blown out of proportion these days. I think there is definitely still a need for honest truths and a bit of aggression when it is called for by members of the coaching team. If they're unhappy, they should make it known.

However, increasingly these days the 'softly softly' approach seems to be the one most players/observers like to see. Obviously, it's a matter of getting the mix right, and being able to encourage and improve the squad, whilst also being able to put the foot down on certain issues.

I think a lot of observers, especially since the Pagan saga this year, are quick to jump on the 'old school' style of coaching and blame that. Personally, I don't imagine Eade to be that kind of coach. I think he would certainly give a good blast, but would also be someone who can remain calm and approach the group in the 'softly softly' manner.

I think a lot of the speculation is probably unfounded. However the next year will reveal a lot as to how we can settle back down and get on with the job at hand. Winning football games.

[wimberga]

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I think a lot of observers, especially since the Pagan saga this year, are quick to jump on the 'old school' style of coaching and blame that. Personally, I don't imagine Eade to be that kind of coach. I think he would certainly give a good blast, but would also be someone who can remain calm and approach the group in the 'softly softly' manner.

Agree with you here Griffen.

I remember alot of people saying that Eade will make it known if he is unhappy, as we saw when he targetted Gilbee and Harris for a verbal spray in one of the games last season. But Eade is also the first person to congratulate players on things they do well.

I honestly believe that Eade has the support of the players and is good at managing the player. I think any problems relating to the way he coaches would have come from other staff, not the players.

[The Underdog]

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Am I wrong or was Eade often quoted last year about not berating players for mistakes?That his philosophy was that he was happy for them to take risks and he wouldn't yell at players for trying to create. Of course this doesn't mean that he wasn't giving it to players for not following the team plan or for their lack of effort. But it seems to have gone 180 pretty quickly from everyone lauding him and his relationship with the players to an out and out bagging of his ability to relate to them.
I think we'll find that everyone has learnt lessons from the way last season finished and that we'll be a better club for it.

[LostDoggy]

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The bloke who was on the end of his biggest sprays, won the B&F

We should identify those who can't handle getting a spray and delist them

[The Underdog]

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The bloke who was on the end of his biggest sprays, won the B&F

We should identify those who can't handle getting a spray and delist them

A little simplistic I'd say.
Different personalities need to be handled differently. I'd imagine he knows that Harris can handle a spray and thus isn't afraid to let go. He needs to be able to better control who he does spray and understand who it will work on and who will react badly. Just because someone doesn't enjoy being berated in front of their mates doesn't mean they can't do the job on the field. He needs to know the personalities of his players in this regard.

[LostDoggy]

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This is a man's game.

These blokes are paid $200,000 + per game and if they disobey team rules or instructions they deserve to be held to account in no uncertain manner.

If they can't handle it, they are mentally weak and unfit for this career.

Simple? Too bloody right it is.

[The Underdog]

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This is a man's game.

These blokes are paid $200,000 + per game and if they disobey team rules or instructions they deserve to be held to account in no uncertain manner.

If they can't handle it, they are mentally weak and unfit for this career.

Simple? Too bloody right it is.

Yeah, except a lot of them aren't really men.
Is a coach screaming at a 19 year old for not following a team rule going to make a man or a footballer out of him?
I'd argue that some people just don't respond to that. Are they mentally weak, maybe, but then this isn't the army. Some people aren't motivated by the fear of being belittled, some in fact shrink from that. I'd suggest that spraying everyone when they mess up isn't the way to build a team. I agree that players need to be held to account i just think sometimes there are more constructive ways of doing it.
I'd suggest that not every successful footballer has been a) mentally strong or b)capable of taking a spray from the coach well

[Bornadog]

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However, increasingly these days the 'softly softly' approach seems to be the one most players/observers like to see. .

yes just like the calm Mr malthouse who never gets angry

[LostDoggy]

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I'd suggest that not every successful footballer has been a) mentally strong or b)capable of taking a spray from the coach well

I would argue that 16 AFL coaches would vehemently disagree with that.

[LostDoggy]

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yes just like the calm Mr malthouse who never gets angry

Aside from Paul Roos and maybe Neil Craig, I can recall seeing every coach being caught on film screaming at one or more of their players at one time or another. I don't think Eade carried on like this any more excessively than other coaches. Two incidents were highlighted in '07- Harris and Gilbee. In fact I'm surprised he didn't blow a gasket more often given what was happening out on the field, particularly after the mid season break.