Match Committee- Round 7 vs North Melbourne

[LostDoggy]

Re: Match Committee- Round 6 vs North Melbourne

Once Markovic is back and firing Austin on form is the only player we have that can support Jones on the HF line , Cordy has been used closer to goals and his games in have provided the coaches and Ayce himself the standard required but Cordy is not the answer to support Jones at HF and at the moment neither is Dickson who still needs time , Austin can be switched forward as really we need a player with run and carry rather than an extra tall in defense ( once Markovic is fit )

With Jones and Austin on the half forward line we would have a better structure to support Jones , young Marks role would be to take a tall defender and just provide a contest , he is a strong overhead mark either leading , pack and going back with the flight and is clean with his handballs off the ground , now this of course would move away from Macca's game plan of only two forwards but it would take pressure off Jones , with Liam and Mark on the 50m arc and Gia as a sweeper on the 30m arc and Cooney and DJ in the hole between HF and FF with the rotating ruckman spending time at FF the structure looks more balanced

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[Ghost Dog]

Re: Match Committee- Round 6 vs North Melbourne

Once Markovic is back and firing Austin on form is the only player we have that can support Jones on the HF line , Cordy has been used closer to goals and his games in have provided the coaches and Ayce himself the standard required but Cordy is not the answer to support Jones at HF and at the moment neither is Dickson who still needs time , Austin can be switched forward as really we need a player with run and carry rather than an extra tall in defense ( once Markovic is fit )

With Jones and Austin on the half forward line we would have a better structure to support Jones , young Marks role would be to take a tall defender and just provide a contest , he is a strong overhead mark either leading , pack and going back with the flight and is clean with his handballs off the ground , now this of course would move away from Macca's game plan of only two forwards but it would take pressure off Jones , with Liam and Mark on the 50m arc and Gia as a sweeper on the 30m arc and Cooney and DJ in the hole between HF and FF with the rotating ruckman spending time at FF the structure looks more balanced

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West-Dog, what's the issue with Tory D at the moment? Fitness? He can certainly roost a wet footy accurately enough, as seen versus Port Melbourne. He looked ok to me.

Here is North's backline from today's game against West Coast ( who kicked more points than goals! )

NMFC HB Cameron, Pedersen Michael, Firrito Luke Delaney

NMFC FB Shaun ,Atley Scott Thompson, Jamie Macmillan

Well, if they do line up like that, a good game to try Cordy and Jones. MacMillan has only played 19 games. Atley 22. Delaney 12. Pedersen 15. An inexperienced backline with none over 194cm.

North Melbourne's in-form players as follows: Swallow, Cunnington, Ziebell, Thompson, Bastinac, Harvey

[Bornadog]

Re: Match Committee- Round 6 vs North Melbourne

I disagree with the calls to 'save' Jones. There's a difference between sticking with a player who is making errors (Eg. Wood's disposal) as opposed to Jones who simply isn't doing anything right.

He continually runs under the ball, his ball use on Friday Night was nothing short of disgraceful by both hand and foot, he was out-muscled a few times and generally had no idea when and where to lead. In that first half, he continually kept running to the spot where Roughead already was, thus bringing his opponent (Brown) with him into the contest. This was really frustrating to watch.

Jones is clearly struggling mentally and is trying to overcompensate by trying too hard. He really needs to go back to Williamstown and do the basics of the game well, which he hasn't been doing. Such things as timing his leads, picking the ball up cleanly, disposing of it well and making good decisions.

Nobody is expecting him to take 10 marks and kick 2 goals, but for his own good, he needs a spell. He's been given 6 weeks and Friday Night's performance was the worst of all -- so it's not as though we are 'cutting' him too early.

Not sure why some people think that he can't develop and learn more in the VFL than the AFL in this scenario.

I was calling for Jones to be back in the VFL last year but was criticsed by many on this forum. Maybe in hindsight, if he had of gone back to the VFL last year he would be a better footballer this year.

[Ghost Dog]

Re: Match Committee- Round 6 vs North Melbourne

I was calling for Jones to be back in the VFL last year but was criticsed by many on this forum. Maybe in hindsight, if he had of gone back to the VFL last year he would be a better footballer this year.

V North is a perfect game for him to cut his teeth. As noted, he just needs to tweak a few basics. Seemed to work for Easton.

[Desipura]

Re: Match Committee- Round 6 vs North Melbourne

I was calling for Jones to be back in the VFL last year but was criticsed by many on this forum. Maybe in hindsight, if he had of gone back to the VFL last year he would be a better footballer this year.

Why not play someone like Hill or Campbell who worried North all be it in a NAB cup game.
This would take off a fair bit of pressure off Jones.
It would mean Roughy would have to miss though and I am not sure the MC would be so creative/ambitious with their selections.
Also Roughy went ok as did the team.

[LostDoggy]

Re: Match Committee- Round 6 vs North Melbourne

West-Dog, what's the issue with Tory D at the moment? Fitness? He can certainly roost a wet footy accurately enough, as seen versus Port Melbourne. He looked ok to me.

His fitness is fine , he just has a few things to work on before he comes back , he got a couple of games early to show him the standard required , just zoning and positioning to work on what Macca calls the Team things , once he,s back on board he will probably rotate between the midfield and the forward line , as far as support for Jones at HF he just is,nt tall enough to draw the extra tall defender away from Jones

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[The Pie Man]

Re: Match Committee- Round 6 vs North Melbourne

Possibly although the two games that we have won Roughy, Minno & Cordy have all played.

True - though no Lake vs Melbourne, and Roughead was subbed off at half time vs GWS.

[G-Mo77]

Re: Match Committee- Round 6 vs North Melbourne

His fitness is fine , he just has a few things to work on before he comes back , he got a couple of games early to show him the standard required , just zoning and positioning to work on what Macca calls the Team things , once he,s back on board he will probably rotate between the midfield and the forward line , as far as support for Jones at HF he just is,nt tall enough to draw the extra tall defender away from Jones

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He's really the only guy that is knocking at the door right now from Willy. Do you think he could be in the mix soon? Absolutely no one stood out apart from him on Saturday.

Once Markovic is back and firing Austin on form is the only player we have that can support Jones on the HF line , Cordy has been used closer to goals and his games in have provided the coaches and Ayce himself the standard required but Cordy is not the answer to support Jones at HF and at the moment neither is Dickson who still needs time , Austin can be switched forward as really we need a player with run and carry rather than an extra tall in defense ( once Markovic is fit )

With Jones and Austin on the half forward line we would have a better structure to support Jones , young Marks role would be to take a tall defender and just provide a contest , he is a strong overhead mark either leading , pack and going back with the flight and is clean with his handballs off the ground , now this of course would move away from Macca's game plan of only two forwards but it would take pressure off Jones , with Liam and Mark on the 50m arc and Gia as a sweeper on the 30m arc and Cooney and DJ in the hole between HF and FF with the rotating ruckman spending time at FF the structure looks more balanced

Austin did play some forward for the Bullants I recall. It's an interesting option and one I thought about once they elevated him. It could be worth a try but would Austin be any different to say someone like Hill getting a call up and playing he and Jones together? I know Hill's yet to play an AFL game but it's not like Austin is a veteran either.

[Ghost Dog]

Re: Match Committee- Round 6 vs North Melbourne

He's really the only guy that is knocking at the door right now from Willy. Do you think he could be in the mix soon? Absolutely no one stood out apart from him on Saturday.



Austin did play some forward for the Bullants I recall. It's an interesting option and one I thought about once they elevated him. It could be worth a try but would Austin be any different to say someone like Hill getting a call up and playing he and Jones together? I know Hill's yet to play an AFL game but it's not like Austin is a veteran either.

Clay Smith is one I would be happy to promote.

[Missing-Dog]

Re: Match Committee- Round 6 vs North Melbourne

When Marko comes in then Austin can go forward..

Play Grant in the backline as he has done ok during teh time he goes back this season.

Would like to see Tutt come in soon aswell.

[Bornadog]

Re: Match Committee- Round 6 vs North Melbourne

When Marko comes in then Austin can go forward..

Play Grant in the backline as he has done ok during teh time he goes back this season.

Would like to see Tutt come in soon aswell.

Saw a bit of Tutt in the mud and didn't look good at all.

[The Bulldogs Bite]

Re: Match Committee- Round 6 vs North Melbourne

Saw a bit of Tutt in the mud and didn't look good at all.

Yep -- Tutt looks a fair way off it at the moment, but it's understandable, he hasn't had any continuity so far this season.

[The Bulldogs Bite]

Re: Match Committee- Round 6 vs North Melbourne

I was calling for Jones to be back in the VFL last year but was criticsed by many on this forum. Maybe in hindsight, if he had of gone back to the VFL last year he would be a better footballer this year.

From memory, Jones was dropped early in the season and then came back to play Collingwood at the MCG. He was reasonably solid from that point forward, and it did help that we had Hall for the second half of the season.

This year falls under different circumstances though, because Jones is our #1 forward and he's clearly carrying the mental (and physical) side of it. I think more than anything, he needs a 'refresh' -- a bit of confidence, a break -- and he can get these things playing in the VFL where it's a slower paced brand of footy.

I feel by continually playing Jones at the moment, we're digging him a deeper hole.

[Bulldog Revolution]

Re: Match Committee- Round 6 vs North Melbourne

I feel by continually playing Jones at the moment, we're digging him a deeper hole.

I often agree with a lot of what you have to say TBB but I dont here

I haven't noticed anything in Liams attitude or application that would lead me to believe we are damaging him. Provided he is getting feedback during the week and working on his kicking I dont see why we wouldn't be playing him. Remember he has only played 6 games under a new coaching setup and is still learning.

If anything in the VFL the ball is not directed to forwards as cleanly and it might be even more difficult for him to find touch or get much useful out of it. To me his application still seems good so Im not sure what we'd get out of it unless we were going to play him at CHB.

I dont see how Liams scenario is too different that Wood, and we saw the way Woods could be turned around quickly

[Nuggety Back Pocket]

Re: Match Committee- Round 6 vs North Melbourne

Panos is a mile off in both fitness and form. I don't see how he could assist at the moment.

Agree on Panos who has been disappointing to date. You will find that both Cordy and Grant will return this week. Collingwood was a winnable game on Friday night. In the words of BMcC the pressure we applied for three quarters needs to be sustained to the final siren. Coming off a tough encounter in the West you would expect us to be well in the contest on Sunday against North Melbourne.