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  • Hotdog60
    Bulldog Team of the Century
    • Aug 2009
    • 5907

    Stats confidential: Western Bulldogs desperately need a gun forward




    DEFENCE wins premierships, the wise heads of football always say.


    But it is the polish and poise of forwards that wins you games week in, week out.

    Without a mix of both, you have little hope of challenging - and that is the painful reality confronting Western Bulldogs coach Brendan McCartney.

    McCartney and his Dogs are doing so much right, holding teams to manageable scores and winning enough hard ball through the midfield to create forward thrusts, but the good news stops at the 50m paint.

    The Bulldogs have this season converted only 20.7 per cent of forward-50 entries to goals, ranked last in the competition.

    The conversion rate is the lowest recorded by Champion Data since it started keeping the statistic in 1999.

    The Dogs were No.1 in the stat as recently as 2009, converting 29.3 per cent of all entries to goals. In 2010 and last year, they were ranked fourth.

    But McCartney, who put a Dogs team on the park against Collingwood bristling with hunger and intent on Friday night, is working with a forward line learning on the job.

    Footy moves so quickly, it is easy to forget the comings and goings at clubs, but loss of natural goalkickers at Whitten Oval has been extraordinary.


    McCartney and his Dogs are doing so much right, holding teams to manageable scores and winning enough hard ball through the midfield to create forward thrusts, but the good news stops at the 50m paint.

    In 2009, the Dogs' top 10 goalkickers were, in order: Jason Akermanis, Mitch Hahn, Brad Johnson, Josh Hill, Shaun Higgins, Lindsay Gilbee, Daniel Giansiracusa, Scott Welsh, Nathan Eagleton and Callan Ward.

    Only two - Higgins and Giansiracusa - played against the Pies.

    Barry Hall arrived the following year, and he is gone too.

    Liam Jones is a powerful athlete with the invaluable asset of making contested marking look easy but, without the support of Hall, he is struggling to bring much else to the table.

    He will be a player, but is probably still two years from being able to have an impact to the extent of kicking five goals in a game.

    Ayce Cordy and Jordan Roughead have also been trialled as targets. Again, they need time.

    Jarrad Grant was recruited as a potential key target, but is more of a flanker and needs to start delivering on his ample talents consistently.

    The Dogs desperately need a mature-age "bridging" player to help Jones and Co. out over the next two to three years.

    Ed Barlow was hardly a superstar power forward, but he had a big tank and could mark overhead. He seemed stiff to be given the chop in the off-season.

    Club legend Doug Hawkins wanted Brendan Fevola to be that bridging player, but he was deemed too risky.

    The Dogs will have two first-round picks in this year's super draft, but no doubt their focus will be on claiming a fringe forward from another club who could make a difference.

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    IT was a poor bouncing display in Friday night's Collingwood-Bulldogs game at Etihad.

    A series of false starts, and second bounces, re-ignited debate about the worth of the centre bounce - an incredibly difficult skill.

    Do we just bounce it to start quarters? Maybe.

    The downside is, it would give leaping machine Nic Naitanui a gold pass to dominate if the ball is thrown up predictably each time.

    Pause/rewind

    SYDNEY had the ball inside its forward half for 60 per cent of the game against Adelaide, winning the inside 50 count 67-45. It was the highest inside 50 count by a losing team since Geelong had 67 in Round 1, 2003, and lost to the Bulldogs.

    THIS season, 75 per cent of teams winning the contested possession count in a game have collected the four points.

    Geelong continues to defy logic. It has won four of six despite not winning the contested battle once.
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  • G-Mo77
    Bulldog Team of the Century
    • Apr 2007
    • 9876

    #2
    Re: Stats confidential: Western Bulldogs desperately need a gun forward

    Hmm. OK what does Steveo use as a user name in here.

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    • Rocco Jones
      Bulldog Team of the Century
      • Jun 2008
      • 6932

      #3
      Re: Stats confidential: Western Bulldogs desperately need a gun forward

      Originally posted by G-Mo77
      Hmm. OK what does Steveo use as a user name in here.
      Haha.

      With all due respect, it doesn't take a genius to realised we desperately need a gun forward. Just watch us for a couple of minutes and you will get that.

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      • Sedat
        Hall of Fame
        • Sep 2007
        • 11253

        #4
        Re: Stats confidential: Western Bulldogs desperately need a gun forward

        Originally posted by Hotdog60
        Ed Barlow was hardly a superstar power forward, but he had a big tank and could mark overhead. He seemed stiff to be given the chop in the off-season.
        No arguments from me, although Stevo is generous with his assessment that Cheesy could mark overhead
        "Look at me mate. Look at me. I'm flyin'"

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        • Hotdog60
          Bulldog Team of the Century
          • Aug 2009
          • 5907

          #5
          Re: Stats confidential: Western Bulldogs desperately need a gun forward

          every picture tells a story, Jones with 3 defends jumping with him and Higgins isn't front and centre.
          Don't piss off old people
          The older we get the less "LIFE IN PRISON" is a deterrent...

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          • Rocco Jones
            Bulldog Team of the Century
            • Jun 2008
            • 6932

            #6
            Re: Stats confidential: Western Bulldogs desperately need a gun forward

            Originally posted by Sedat
            No arguments from me, although Stevo is generous with his assessment that Cheesy could mark overhead
            Haha yep. I think guys with wonderful tanks are underrated by the general footy public as they think they are just getting easy touches. Barlow's ability to offer a consistent outlet around HF was well worth his rookie spot IMO.

            We went after Bate pretty strongly during the trade period so obviously we felt a need for that type, really unsure as to why we dumped Ed after we failed in our bid for the Master.

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            • Rocco Jones
              Bulldog Team of the Century
              • Jun 2008
              • 6932

              #7
              Re: Stats confidential: Western Bulldogs desperately need a gun forward

              Originally posted by Hotdog60
              every picture tells a story, Jones with 3 defends jumping with him and Higgins isn't front and centre.
              Interesting call.

              I mentoned in the Liam thread that I think Gia and Higgins make Jones' role harder. They aren't typical modern smalls, offering pressure and the like. They are almost like little KP forwards who do little offer than score a goal or two a game. Don't get me wrong, I think they are worth their spot but they don't really help the guys around them.

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              • Ghost Dog
                WOOF Member
                • May 2010
                • 9404

                #8
                Re: Stats confidential: Western Bulldogs desperately need a gun forward

                Brian, forward march.
                You don't develop courage by being happy in your relationships every day. You develop it by surviving difficult times and challenging adversity. ― Epicurus

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                • LostDoggy
                  WOOF Member
                  • Jan 2007
                  • 8307

                  #9
                  Re: Stats confidential: Western Bulldogs desperately need a gun forward

                  General Mac and the coaching staff are fully and completely aware that our forward line is inexperienced and undermanned , right from the start when he began to mould the game plan going into season 2012 General Mac knew that the oversize midfield part of the game plan would have to score 2/3rds of the goals and the final 1/3 from defenders moving forward , the rotating ruckman and the two forwards
                  By having this mindset right from the pre-season the players knew what was expected from them and that it would take time to build momentum before the game plan could be fluid and dynamic over four quarters
                  The one balancing point is that the oversize midfield must push forward to the 50m arc and make a decision to either hit a target or kick the goal , given that the game plan only uses two forwards the decision first and foremost should be to kick the goal
                  Now in order for the oversize midfield to push forward to be in a position to make a decision to score or hit a target everything goes back to the core of the game plan , win the ball at any cost , protect the ball carrier , protect the zones , use numbers behind the ball to spread and stretch the opposition zones , attack with numbers any gaps in the opposition zones
                  By understanding General Mac's and the coaching staffs objectives we clearly see that by building this game plan for 2012 they have taken into account the inexperienced and undermanned forward line as they try to make the team a cohesive and flexible unit , and that it requires a full rebuild of the team work ethic
                  Our current list may be short of one or two experienced tall forwards but General Mac and the coaching staff know development takes time , knowledge takes time , and rebuilding takes time , and that the time would be well spent if by the end of season 2012 our development of our young forwards was a bonus on top of the teams development


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                  • Ghost Dog
                    WOOF Member
                    • May 2010
                    • 9404

                    #10
                    Re: Stats confidential: Western Bulldogs desperately need a gun forward

                    Originally posted by Rocco Jones
                    Interesting call.

                    I mentoned in the Liam thread that I think Gia and Higgins make Jones' role harder. They aren't typical modern smalls, offering pressure and the like. They are almost like little KP forwards who do little offer than score a goal or two a game. Don't get me wrong, I think they are worth their spot but they don't really help the guys around them.
                    Great observation
                    You don't develop courage by being happy in your relationships every day. You develop it by surviving difficult times and challenging adversity. ― Epicurus

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                    • Remi Moses
                      WOOF Member
                      • Jan 2009
                      • 14785

                      #11
                      Re: Stats confidential: Western Bulldogs desperately need a gun forward

                      Originally posted by Rocco Jones
                      Interesting call.

                      I mentoned in the Liam thread that I think Gia and Higgins make Jones' role harder. They aren't typical modern smalls, offering pressure and the like. They are almost like little KP forwards who do little offer than score a goal or two a game. Don't get me wrong, I think they are worth their spot but they don't really help the guys around them.
                      That is so true it isn't funny.

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                      • Remi Moses
                        WOOF Member
                        • Jan 2009
                        • 14785

                        #12
                        Re: Stats confidential: Western Bulldogs desperately need a gun forward

                        The interesting thing is going to be...
                        Do we trade? Develop our own? Thoughts?

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                        • chef
                          Hall of Fame
                          • Nov 2008
                          • 14623

                          #13
                          Re: Stats confidential: Western Bulldogs desperately need a gun forward

                          Originally posted by Rocco Jones
                          Haha yep. I think guys with wonderful tanks are underrated by the general footy public as they think they are just getting easy touches. Barlow's ability to offer a consistent outlet around HF was well worth his rookie spot IMO.

                          We went after Bate pretty strongly during the trade period so obviously we felt a need for that type, really unsure as to why we dumped Ed after we failed in our bid for the Master.
                          He'll be a free agent(restricted) this trade period coming, so there's a fair chance he'll be on our list next year IMO as he was very keen to come here.
                          The curse is dead.

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                          • G-Mo77
                            Bulldog Team of the Century
                            • Apr 2007
                            • 9876

                            #14
                            Re: Stats confidential: Western Bulldogs desperately need a gun forward

                            Originally posted by chef
                            He'll be a free agent(restricted) this trade period coming, so there's a fair chance he'll be on our list next year IMO as he was very keen to come here.
                            Is this coming from personal knowledge or speculation?

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                            • Ghost Dog
                              WOOF Member
                              • May 2010
                              • 9404

                              #15
                              Re: Stats confidential: Western Bulldogs desperately need a gun forward

                              Time to start looking at our own. Just keep trying Minson, Roughy, Campbell, Cordy in there until something clicks.
                              You don't develop courage by being happy in your relationships every day. You develop it by surviving difficult times and challenging adversity. ― Epicurus

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