Game Day 2012 - R14 Western Bulldogs vs Essendon

[Eastdog]

Re: Game Day 2012 - R14 Western Bulldogs vs Essendon

I Blame Scott Clayton. For someone with such a great reputation he has failed comprehensively at building our list.

I wish we had a clone of that Collingwood recruiter.

[Missing Dog]

Re: Game Day 2012 - R14 Western Bulldogs vs Essendon

I couldn't believe some of our defensive efforts both from our young players and older players tonight. I shouldn't be surprised, but I am at least at how bad some of them were.

[Yankee Hotel Foxtrot]

Re: Game Day 2012 - R14 Western Bulldogs vs Essendon

Just have a look at the number of front runners picked up.

I don't blame it all on Clayton, we seem to have made some poor recruiting decisions post Clayton as well, in consecutive drafts too, and also with trades.
We wasted the Harbrow pick, - who did Brisbane end up selecting with the Harbrow pick we sent there way for Sherman.
It makes me sick to see Hill performing well for West Coast, and last week seeing Everitt sink a clutch shot at the death to give Sydney the win is making me feel very nervous indeed.
Why is it other clubs seem to do well with our discards?

[GVGjr]

Re: Game Day 2012 - R14 Western Bulldogs vs Essendon

They are the other 2 I was going to mention.
Wallis will get the vest out of himself due to his attitude, I have no doubt about that!
Dahl, Libba, Wallis, Boyd and Murphy our 2013 leadership group, are we in agreeance?

Whats the fascination with the leadership group?

[GVGjr]

Re: Game Day 2012 - R14 Western Bulldogs vs Essendon

Maybe we need to start thinking whether we have the right coaching staff

We don't have. FWIW, I don't rate Shannon Grant, Montgomery or King.

[The Underdog]

Re: Game Day 2012 - R14 Western Bulldogs vs Essendon

We don't have. FWIW, I don't rate Shannon Grant, Montgomery or King.

Grant and King are Macca's boys so he had to know what he was getting.

[Dancin' Douggy]

Re: Game Day 2012 - R14 Western Bulldogs vs Essendon

Just got back from the game.

Another non-competitive performance. We are going nowhere in a hurry. We didn't even look like it at any stage tonight.

I thought, well at least we are playing lots of young players ..... so are the Bombers!

Average Attributes
Essendon Attribute Western Bulldogs
188.0cm Height 187.5cm
87.2kg Weight 87.8kg
24yr 9mth Age 24yr 10mth
76.7 Games 84.0

Total Players By Games
Essendon Games Western Bulldogs
10 Less than 50 10
6 50 to 99 3
3 100 to 149 3
3 150 or more 6

So we are older. We have the same players who have played under 50 games. Players under 100 games was Bombers 16 Vs our 13.

Where are we going? I hope someone knows.

What I think those stats say is we are at the tipping point with our senior players.
Gia, Shaggy, Gilbee I think should bow out. Higgins I've been a strong supporter of due to his injuries, but this year was the year for him. He just hasn't made himself an important,
or integral part of the team. Unless Higgins does something dramatic between now and the end of the season, I will have to find myself agreeing with a lot of people I've been disagreeing with. COME ON HIGGO I'VE BEEN IN YOUR CORNER DON'T LET ME DOWN !!!!

[Remi Moses]

Re: Game Day 2012 - R14 Western Bulldogs vs Essendon

Don't know what's worse listening to Wallace's list analysis or the result.
It's like the Taliban preaching Women's Rights

[Missing Dog]

Re: Game Day 2012 - R14 Western Bulldogs vs Essendon

We don't have. FWIW, I don't rate Shannon Grant, Montgomery or King.

Do you rate McCartney?

[GVGjr]

Re: Game Day 2012 - R14 Western Bulldogs vs Essendon

Do you rate McCartney?

Yes I do. I've seen King and Grant at the VFL games and they are nowhere near focused on proceedings.

[LostDoggy]

Re: Game Day 2012 - R14 Western Bulldogs vs Essendon

Do you rate McCartney?

I'm starting to doubt him.
Listening to him at quarter time and at the end of the game on TV, he seemed very shaken and very very lacking in confidence. He sounded like a U18s country coach being interviewed and had the same answers.
To me it was more troubling than the players performance tonight.

[Yankee Hotel Foxtrot]

Re: Game Day 2012 - R14 Western Bulldogs vs Essendon

Yes I do. I've seen King and Grant at the VFL games and they are nowhere near focused on proceedings.

Did McCartney bring King and Grant on board when he arrived, or did he not have a say in assembling his support crew?
For what it's worth, whilst I was not happy with Eade getting the chop, there are elements to McCartney that I can see as being attractive qualities in terms of fostering the right environment for a rebuilding list. I just hope that he has, or can obtain soon the right coaching structure around him, to help him with the other elements required to build a match-day effective team along as the journey.

[Yankee Hotel Foxtrot]

Re: Game Day 2012 - R14 Western Bulldogs vs Essendon

I'm starting to doubt him.
Listening to him at quarter time and at the end of the game on TV, he seemed very shaken and very very lacking in confidence. He sounded like a U18s country coach being interviewed and had the same answers.
To me it was more troubling than the players performance tonight.

I don't see that at all. I think he was disappointed, as any coach would be. However for mine, I think he comes across as very confident. I think he is also not an open book, and is smart enough not to try and coach his team via the media. He has absolutely nothing to gain by giving away his exact thoughts to the media. And whilst it might be frustrating as a fan who wants answers, I completely agree with his disinterest in giving the media any sound bites.

[GVGjr]

Re: Game Day 2012 - R14 Western Bulldogs vs Essendon

Did McCartney bring King and Grant on board when he arrived, or did he not have a say in assembling his support crew?
For what it's worth, whilst I was not happy with Eade getting the chop, there are elements to McCartney that I can see as being attractive qualities in terms of fostering the right environment for a rebuilding list. I just hope that he has, or can obtain soon the right coaching structure around him, to help him with the other elements required to build a match-day effective team along as the journey.

King and Grant are Macca's boys but I think we could have done better. Montgomery I don't feel adds a lot of value.

Regarding Eade, as much as people are putting McCartney under the microscope, we would be in as bad as position if Eade was at the helm and quite frankly the noise from the media would be overwhelming. Eade had to go and we selected McCartney as his replacement.

With that in mind, we need to give him time and support and I hope the club is looking at way it can increase the support to him.

[Eastdog]

Re: Game Day 2012 - R14 Western Bulldogs vs Essendon

King and Grant are Macca's boys but I think we could have done better. Montgomery I don't feel adds a lot of value.

Regarding Eade, as much as people are putting McCartney under the microscope, we would be in as bad as position if Eade was at the helm and quite frankly the noise from the media would be overwhelming. Eade had to go and we selected McCartney as his replacement.

With that in mind, we need to give him time and support and I hope the club is looking at way it can increase the support to him.

What about Leon Cameron? Do you think he could of been another good choice not that Brendan McCartney wasn't a good choice as I think he is a good choice.