Woof Player Awards Rnd 14 - Western Bulldogs vs Essendon

[The Bulldogs Bite]

Re: Woof Player Awards Rnd 14 - Western Bulldogs vs Essendon

4- Minson
3- Libba
2- Smith
1- Higgins

2- Libba
1- Dahl

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Wow, hard game to place votes. Minson was good, Libba tried hard and Smith was solid -- outside of that, I thought we were poor. Higgins tried hard, ditto Dahl, but both made a lot of errors.

[Bornadog]

Re: Woof Player Awards Rnd 14 - Western Bulldogs vs Essendon

I know in a night like tonight it's hard to find deserving vote winners, but seriously- Boyd?
How influential was his 'opponent' Watson when the game was won in the first quarter and a half?

Picken was on Watson

[Bornadog]

Re: Woof Player Awards Rnd 14 - Western Bulldogs vs Essendon

Summary - we were horrible, but Boydy, kept trying, winning the ball and actually used it better than usual. Griff just didn't get much of it and made bad decisions and didn't kick well.

Other than taggers, and around stoppages (Boyd had more clearances and contested possessions than Watson by the way) midfielders don't really have a direct opponent most of the time. Once players spread after contests, it's more about picking up the closest player or zoning. So Boyd wasn't directly opposed to Watson for most of the night.

I saw you give Griff votes and thought WTF, but said nothing because that's your opinion. So wasn't happy when you questioned me.

Agree Boyd was at 74 percent

[Yankee Hotel Foxtrot]

Re: Woof Player Awards Rnd 14 - Western Bulldogs vs Essendon

Picken was on Watson

Not during the first quarter. The commentators repeatedly mentioned the decision to have Boyd and Watson just go head to head.
They moved Picken onto Watson during the second quarter.

[Yankee Hotel Foxtrot]

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Agree Boyd was at 74 percent

That is a very misleading, and often irrelevant stat on it's own. What is more meaningful are the amount of times he had the ball clear, and on the move and was unable to hit a target. Appreciate he isn't the only one in our team at the moment who doesn't use the ball well, but often his are unforced errors, resulting in turnovers

[Greystache]

Re: Woof Player Awards Rnd 14 - Western Bulldogs vs Essendon

Agree Boyd was at 74 percent

He stated on Stanton but we has to make the move, Cross went onto Stanton for a while .

[Bornadog]

Re: Woof Player Awards Rnd 14 - Western Bulldogs vs Essendon

That is a very misleading, and often irrelevant stat on it's own. What is more meaningful are the amount of times he had the ball clear, and on the move and was unable to hit a target. Appreciate he isn't the only one in our team at the moment who doesn't use the ball well, but often his are unforced errors, resulting in turnovers

74 Percent means he hit a target that many times when he had the ball 34 times.

What does it mean to you?

[westbulldog]

Re: Woof Player Awards Rnd 14 - Western Bulldogs vs Essendon

4. Dalhaus
3. Minson
2. Liberatore
1. Campbell

2. Dalhaus
1. Liberatore

I thought that I heard Jobe Watson had 14 possessions to quarter time and the game was then effectively over. Who was on Watson in the first quarter ?

[Greystache]

Re: Woof Player Awards Rnd 14 - Western Bulldogs vs Essendon

74 Percent means he hit a target that many times when he had the ball 34 times.

What does it mean to you?

As long as the kick is more than 40m it's recorded as an effective kick so long as its not a clangerr, Boyd virtually didn't put a ball to a team mates advantage all night. The effective disposal stat is the most misleading in football, a player can kick out from the back pocket direct to an opposing player on the bounce, have it kicked straight back over his head for a goal and still be credited with an effective kick. Ryan Hargrave has made an artform of the effective kick turnover.

[giaco]

Re: Woof Player Awards Rnd 14 - Western Bulldogs vs Essendon

74 Percent means he hit a target that many times when he had the ball 34 times.

What does it mean to you?

I think that's 25 effective possessions, which is more possessions than anyone else in our team had. But you name him in the best, and everyone comes after you.

[Yankee Hotel Foxtrot]

Re: Woof Player Awards Rnd 14 - Western Bulldogs vs Essendon

74 Percent means he hit a target that many times when he had the ball 34 times.

What does it mean to you?

It can mean several things, and you know it.
How many of his effective possessions were little dinky passes or little give and go handballs that weren't damaging, but do inflate his effectiveness %.
Compare that against how many times he had the ball as I stated I observed, where in the clear and under little or no pressure he was unable to hit a target, or not put it to our scoring advantage, or worse, actually ended up in a turnover that Essendon scored from.
Stats are silly things unless they are broken down.

[Yankee Hotel Foxtrot]

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I think that's 25 effective possessions, which is more possessions than anyone else in our team had. But you name him in the best, and everyone comes after you.

Chillt out giaco, big deal, someone queried your opinion, that's usually what happens on a forum.
Don't take it so personally.

[Bornadog]

Re: Woof Player Awards Rnd 14 - Western Bulldogs vs Essendon

As long as the kick is more than 40m it's recorded as an effective kick so long as its not a clangerr, Boyd virtually didn't put a ball to a team mates advantage all night. The effective disposal stat is the most misleading in football, a player can kick out from the back pocket direct to an opposing player on the bounce, have it kicked straight back over his head for a goal and still be credited with an effective kick. Ryan Hargrave has made an artform of the effective kick turnover.

DEFINITIONS:


Disposal Efficiency Percentage
The total effective disposals divided by total disposals.*! Effective disposals are made up of effective long kicks, effective short kicks and effective handballs. An effective long kick is one that is 40 metres to a 50/50 or better for the team. An effective short kick is one that results in a teammate's possession who was the intended target of the kicker. A handball to a teammate that hits the intended target to the team's advantage is recorded as an effective handball

74 percentant disposal efficiency is pretty good under the official definition

[giaco]

Re: Woof Player Awards Rnd 14 - Western Bulldogs vs Essendon

Chillt out giaco, big deal, someone queried your opinion, that's usually what happens on a forum.
Don't take it so personally.

Very chilled, maybe slightly drunk. Just find it hard to believe that anyone could consider that Boyd was not in our best tonight. People jump on here every week criticising his disposal efficiency and when he does well on that score, they question what it means.

Anyhoo, it's bedtime and we've got bigger problems than Boydy. At least we know what we get with him each week.

[Greystache]

Re: Woof Player Awards Rnd 14 - Western Bulldogs vs Essendon

DEFINITIONS:


Disposal Efficiency Percentage
The total effective disposals divided by total disposals.*! Effective disposals are made up of effective long kicks, effective short kicks and effective handballs. An effective long kick is one that is 40 metres to a 50/50 or better for the team. An effective short kick is one that results in a teammate's possession who was the intended target of the kicker. A handball to a teammate that hits the intended target to the team's advantage is recorded as an effective handball

74 percentant disposal efficiency is pretty good under the official definition

Exactly, so kick long to the advantage of the opposition in a contest and despite it resulting in a turnover you still get credited with an effective kick. That is the definition of Boyd, effective on the stat sheet, a liability as a ball user. 74% efficiency yet virtually nothing effective.