Bankers and Anchors - Round 14

[GVGjr]

Re: Bankers and Anchors - Round 14

They would want someone like Higgins as well.

I think they may want two 1st round picks or at least a 1st and early 2nd round.

[Topdog]

Re: Bankers and Anchors - Round 14

Spot on! If we had a strong leadership group, they would not allow the hidings to occur as frequently as they are.
Great leaders have the ability to lift their teammates, they demand excellence.

Of the teams in the top 8 currently which do you think have a strong leadership group?

[GVGjr]

Re: Bankers and Anchors - Round 14

Of the teams in the top 8 currently which do you think have a strong leadership group?

It's interesting that so many have jumped on the leadership issue after a couple of woeful losses. A little while back there were a heap of calls on here for Cooney to be made captain. The thoughts were around that he would inspire the team. My simple answer was that despite being a great footballer (and he was at the time) Cooney would be a poor leader and cited a few reasons why. I was informed that he was a changed man and that the players looked up to him but a short while later a clip was found of him street surfing on an esky lid while on a holiday with his team mates. At the time he was nursing an injury which to me didn't exhibit any leadership or maturity for that matter.

I think these on field leadership questions are somewhat wrong. If Judd has a bad day on the field we shouldn't question his value to the leadership of his club because there is a lot more to it than just his on field performance.

Leadership is about (and not confined to) setting the right examples on field and off, training hard and helping your younger team mates become the best they can be and from those few points I think we are well served.
Boyd is an outstanding example of someone making the most of their ability on a very regular basis. Cross is a great example of how to train and prepare for a game and equally Morris is another who pushes himself hard. Gia, Griffen and Murphy are also fine examples of leaders. These qualities should inspire their team mates more than someone having a cracking game.

We are playing poorly for a variety of reasons but the focus on the leadership group of the club isn't the reason why.

I look at Hawthorn and see the likes of Hodge and Mitchell being better examples of genuine leaders than I do Franklin and Buddy is one of the great footballers of the AFL.

Let the good players do their part and let the leaders do theirs. If they happen to be the same player then great but we shouldn't question the quality of the leadership group just because we are on the business end of some bad losses.

[Desipura]

Re: Bankers and Anchors - Round 14

It's interesting that so many have jumped on the leadership issue after a couple of woeful losses. A little while back there were a heap of calls on here for Cooney to be made captain. The thoughts were around that he would inspire the team. My simple answer was that despite being a great footballer (and he was at the time) Cooney would be a poor leader and cited a few reasons why. I was informed that he was a changed man and that the players looked up to him but a short while later a clip was found of him street surfing on an esky lid while on a holiday with his team mates. At the time he was nursing an injury which to me didn't exhibit any leadership or maturity for that matter.

I think these on field leadership questions are somewhat wrong. If Judd has a bad day on the field we shouldn't question his value to the leadership of his club because there is a lot more to it than just his on field performance.

Leadership is about (and not confined to) setting the right examples on field and off, training hard and helping your younger team mates become the best they can be and from those few points I think we are well served.
Boyd is an outstanding example of someone making the most of their ability on a very regular basis. Cross is a great example of how to train and prepare for a game and equally Morris is another who pushes himself hard. Gia, Griffen and Murphy are also fine examples of leaders. These qualities should inspire their team mates more than someone having a cracking game.

We are playing poorly for a variety of reasons but the focus on the leadership group of the club isn't the reason why.

I look at Hawthorn and see the likes of Hodge and Mitchell being better examples of genuine leaders than I do Franklin and Buddy is one of the great footballers of the AFL.

Let the good players do their part and let the leaders do theirs. If they happen to be the same player then great but we shouldn't question the quality of the leadership group just because we are on the business end of some bad losses.

Out of all the leaders you mentioned we have, how many of them perform consistently week in week out. I can think of Boyd and to a lesser extent Cross.

Griffen to me is not a leader, a very good player almost at the elite level but not a leader (probably similar to Franklin). Morris has been a huge loss due to his leadership and being able to educate/inspire on and off the field.

[Mantis]

Re: Bankers and Anchors - Round 14

He wasn't our worst, he actually played ok.

With his standing within our inexperienced team one would hope he would be a good contributor, but his directing of players to do work he is unwilling to do gets on mine and other peoples nerves.

[Bornadog]

Re: Bankers and Anchors - Round 14

but his directing of players to do work he is unwilling to do gets on mine and other peoples nerves.

As I said he is working under instructions from the coach.

[Bornadog]

Re: Bankers and Anchors - Round 14

Out of all the leaders you mentioned we have, how many of them perform consistently week in week out. I can think of Boyd and to a lesser extent Cross.

Griffen to me is not a leader, a very good player almost at the elite level but not a leader (probably similar to Franklin). Morris has been a huge loss due to his leadership and being able to educate/inspire on and off the field.

Leadership is not our current problem.

[Desipura]

Re: Bankers and Anchors - Round 14

Leadership is not our current problem.

That is your opinion. It is one of our problems is mine.

[LostDoggy]

Re: Bankers and Anchors - Round 14

Leadership is not our current problem.

Yes your right. Very overated. Skills, game plan, speed, etc.

To those that think leadership is the issue, should we get the best leader in next draft?

[Desipura]

Re: Bankers and Anchors - Round 14

Yes your right. Very overated. Skills, game plan, speed, etc.

To those that think leadership is the issue, should we get the best leader in next draft?

If the best player has leadership potential, then that is my first choice..... yes.
If he does not, he would have to be clearly the best player.
He does not have to be the best leader. You will find early first rounders in recent times have alot of attributes we are looking for ie skills, attitude.

[LostDoggy]

Re: Bankers and Anchors - Round 14

If the best player has leadership potential, then that is my first choice..... yes.
If he does not, he would have to be clearly the best player.
He does not have to be the best leader. You will find early first rounders in recent times have alot of attributes we are looking for ie skills, attitude.

Is there are test at the combine for leadership potential?
I think it's a load of rubbish.
Anyone that's good shows leadership potential.
Buddy had a minder obviously wasn't a good leader.

[Desipura]

Re: Bankers and Anchors - Round 14

Is there are test at the combine for leadership potential?
I think it's a load of rubbish.
Anyone that's good shows leadership potential.
Buddy had a minder obviously wasn't a good leader.

I believe there is, MJP may be able to confirm/deny.

[Mantis]

Re: Bankers and Anchors - Round 14

As I said he is working under instructions from the coach.

So his job is to tell everyone else to do the work he refuses to do?

Good leaders lead by example, Higgins doesn't do this on the field.

[Ozza]

Re: Bankers and Anchors - Round 14

Bankers:

Smith and Dahlhaus for intensity.

Anchors:

The absolute rubbish that is being dished up as a 'game plan'. It defies belief that we have to sit and watch this nonsense of about 8 blokes around the immediate contest with no apparent plan or set up for what we might do if we actually get the ball. The issue with our forwardline - everyone wants to say that its a personnel issue - but we don't even get a chance to see if the young forwards are up to it - because there isn't a forwardline in place. Is there any danger of us having a forward structure at any stage during a game? Why does every forward feel compelled to make their way up to the half back flank for most of the game? The good sides just don't do it to the ridiculous level we do.

Christian Howard - a completely feeble performance. Not just his effort in the second quarter - which you would not accept from a D Grade reserves player - but everytime Essendon surged forward in waves he was an absloute deer in the headlights.

Easton Wood and Dylan Addison's disposal out of defence was disgraceful. Wood in particular - misses the mark week after week by 10 or 15 metres at a time.

[Bornadog]

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So his job is to tell everyone else to do the work he refuses to do?

Did I say that? How do you know what he is saying?