Our abysmal draft record; The Roar

[Bornadog]

Re: Our abysmal draft record; The Roar

He is the coach's boss. Bar the CEO, no-one has more authority and say in how the footy department is run.

EVERY decision on list management must pass through him.

A coach cannot make a trade unless Fantasia approves.

A player contract cannot be signed, unless Fantasia approves.

The buck stops with him.

He was the administrator that OK'd the trading of a compensation pick between 19-25 for Sherman.

He was the administrator that OK'd the trading of our first live pick in the 2010 draft for Djerkkura (a pick which could have been used on Nick Duigan or Paul Puopolo)

Under his watch, we picked up a 30 year old -who had a history of doing FA in big matches- in the PSD on an inflated contract. Scott - 2 (two) touches in the prelim - Welsh. People will say "but that was all Eade's call" .. THIS is exactly why a footy manager is there, why he's above the coach - to be the rational voice of reason and not allow the club to be dictated by short-sighted self interest.

(Adelaide has a policy of not offering anyone turning 30 or above any more than 2 years. These are the types of hard-coded rules that need to begin to be implemented at the Bulldogs - with exceptions only allowable if, say, coach, footy department manager, CEO and Chris Grant OK it.)

"If he was in this draft, Josh Hill would be selected in the top 20" - and that's why we turned down a second AND a fourth round pick for him. This is less than two years ago. He's now had the best season of his career, do you think a single club out there would use a pick earlier than 40 on him in the national draft?

The Callan Ward negotiations. "This is going to hurt the club more than Ablett leaving Geelong" ... 5 years warning, $8.8mil in cap space, and the bloke failed to keep the ONE clearly elite 23 year old and under player on the list.

I think there's enough evidence to suggest that the bloke makes poor choices, and given his position, yes, he is accountable for them.

Does this mean we do nothing about it?

If you want a premiership, you need a top 4 coach, top 4 footy manager and a top 4 list.

First cab off the rank is the footy manager, has to come first if you're going to assemble a premiership team.

The decisions today will dictate whether our next run at a flag will be a successful one, so pardon a few of us for thinking that it is in the club's best interests to replace an average performer with someone who'll be outstanding in the role.

Once more a top post Guido. There is enough evidence to say we should we be looking for a new football manager. We have to get the next draft right and the list management right in order to have another tilt in a couple of years time.

[azabob]

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Gilbee to retire on Monday, Brian Taylor announced strong rumour TV last night.

I would have loved to have gotten Puopolo over Sherman. Would have rather kept Everitt over Vezpremi. Have never, ever, seen even a glimmer from Hooper. And it's not just Hindsight. Was suss on all these decisions from the get go.

Agree Sherman was a bad choice but not sure selecting Puopolo wouldve been the right one either. I'm happy with the Vez and Everitt swap - no difference - a nil all draw. Could you see Everitt fitting into McCartney game style? I certainly cannot. On Hooper the only positive thing I can say is he showed a little more that Mulligan - and that is not much.

[Mofra]

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Is their much evidence that shows/proves that, in comparison to other clubs, we struggle to develop talent?

There is evidence to suggest we are at least par - we have had no fringe player for the Bulldogs ever go on to boom at another club.
Josh Hill may be close, but he still looks to be a frontrunner of the highest order.

The sheer number of rookies we seem to turn into AFL regulars sugests we are doing something right - and given the imporvement in Wallis' kicking in under two years, I think we have the capacity to work with talented kids too.

The real test will be how we develop Smith's kicking and get one of Jones/Cordy/Hill to perform as a key target against thebest opposition backman every week.
I think we'll do ok in this regard.

[Mofra]

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Agree Sherman was a bad choice but not sure selecting Puopolo wouldve been the right one either.

Perhaps it's my memory, but didn't we miss Puopolo because we wanted Schofield first?

Schofield would have been a decent pick if he didn't have his off field issues/tantrums.
His going home did snare us Fletcher Roberts so that cloud may have a silver lining to it.

Let us not talk about Sherman....

[azabob]

Re: Our abysmal draft record; The Roar

Perhaps it's my memory, but didn't we miss Puopolo because we wanted Schofield first?

Schofield would have been a decent pick if he didn't have his off field issues/tantrums.
His going home did snare us Fletcher Roberts so that cloud may have a silver lining to it.

Let us not talk about Sherman....

You are correct, we preferred Schofield and as you say he was looking ok but Roberts could be better still.

[F'scary]

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Great thread around an interesting article. I think we have done well the last two years, especially given the compromised drafts. However, the point made in the article about National Draft years 2003-2007 is very powerful. I feel it has to be said "and keep going", that is 2008 (Cordy, Roughead, Jones) is a very, very slow train coming and 2009 is looking increasingly ordinary with Markovic (pick 60+ and best described as an honest toiler) outpointing Howard and Tutt to date.

[LostDoggy]

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A good article that makes painful reading

Highlights / Lowlights

In 2005 Shaun Higgins (Pick 11) was picked before Grant Birchall (Pick 14) and Max Bailey (Pick 18), Dylan Addison (Pick 27) was chosen ahead of Geelong ruckman Trent West (Pick 31).

drafting of Andrejs Everitt (Pick 11) ahead of Jack Riewoldt (Pick 13), Chris Dawes (Pick 28), Kurt Tippet (Pick 32) and even Robbie Gray (Pick 55) and Justin Westhoff (Pick 71) cannot be forgiven.

Choosing the lanky Jarrod Grant at Pick 5 in 2007 ahead of the big bodies of Ben McEvoy (Pick 9) and Robbie Tarrant (Pick 15) was more of the same, another opportunity being simply thrown away.

Christian Howard (Pick 15) being drafted ahead of Jack Gunston (Pick 29), Sam Reid (Pick 38) and Nathan Vardy (Pick 42) at the 2009 national draft.


http://www.theroar.com.au/2012/08/15...jong-way-away/

Birchall is a downhill skier of the highest order. I would take Higgins ahead of him again and again. Bailey and West are meh. Everitt is the obvious mistake although he's about as good for sydney this year as dawes, robbie gray and westhoff, who have had crap years.
Grant is pretty much on the same level as McEvoy and Robbie Tarrant, except that Tarrant and Mcevoy are currently playing well while Grant is not.
Christian Howard may have been a mistake as well.

[Mofra]

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Grant is pretty much on the same level as McEvoy and Robbie Tarrant, except that Tarrant and Mcevoy are currently playing well while Grant is not.

McEvoy is miles ahead of Grant, miles.

Still not entirely convinced by Tarrant - IIRC we considered him at the draft.

[Mantis]

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Still not entirely convinced by Tarrant - IIRC we considered him at the draft.

Yep, for our 2nd pick we were keen on Tarrant, Rance & Ward... who went 17, 18 & 19.

[westdog54]

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Yep, for our 2nd pick we were keen on Tarrant, Rance & Ward... who went 17, 18 & 19.

Tarrant is starting to come good, I think he'll turn out to be a reasonable pick for North.

[stefoid]

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Well Guido, Mac had 10 years or something being steeped in the way Geelong does things, and now we have officially admitted to 'rebuild' and making noises about 'growing our own', so you may get your way.

I want us to really go nuts in this particular draft by upgrading our 2nd and 3rd round picks as much as possible.