Match Committee- Round 22 vs Geelong

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  • azabob
    Hall of Fame
    • Sep 2008
    • 15210

    #61
    Re: Match Committee- Round 22 vs Geelong

    Originally posted by Greystache

    For all the talk over the years of Geelong's unbelievable depth there's not been one player who was on the fringe at Geelong that has been able to cut it at another club.
    I guess you couldn't call King on the fringe, but he did ok. But you are right, Geelong obviously only let players go they thought would not make an impact. That is knowing your players and very smart list management.
    More of an In Bruges guy?

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    • Bulldog Joe
      Premiership Moderator
      • Jul 2009
      • 5508

      #62
      Re: Match Committee- Round 22 vs Geelong

      Originally posted by Greystache
      I wouldn't have thought there's any player with a minimum number of senior games guaranteed into their contract, and certainly not a career fringe type like Djerkurra.
      It wasn't a serious comment. Just exaggerating my utter disbelief at his continued selection.

      Maybe Williamstown don't want Fumblekurra as they set themselves up for finals.
      Life is to be Enjoyed not Endured

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      • jeemak
        Bulldog Legend
        • Oct 2010
        • 21584

        #63
        Re: Match Committee- Round 22 vs Geelong

        Originally posted by Greystache
        I can't understand it either, he's been in the system 6 years and isn't improving.

        He trains hard, is courageous, and tries hard in games, he just isn't good enough to play AFL football. I don't see why we're persisting with him.

        For all the talk over the years of Geelong's unbelievable depth there's not been one player who was on the fringe at Geelong that has been able to cut it at another club.
        DJ suffers from having the worst first touch I have (just about, please indulge my hyperbolic rant) ever seen in a small to medium sized footballer.

        All of his skill errors, rushed disposals and poor decisions would be greatly reduced if he could just take the ball cleanly when his opportunity comes along. He can put all the hard work he likes in, but with such a bad first touch he'll never improve to the level required to become a player.

        I can't help but think the coaching staff is rewarding effort and intensity, which is why DJ might be a prefereed player in the last couple of rounds over Grant. Grant's first touch in all of the areas DJ should be proficient in, are significantly better, but it's clear the coaching staff have issues with his effort and application.

        You make a very good point about Geelong's off-cuts.
        TF is this?.........Obviously you're not a golfer.

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        • Nuggety Back Pocket
          WOOF Member
          • Oct 2009
          • 2064

          #64
          Re: Match Committee- Round 22 vs Geelong

          Originally posted by bornadog
          Good to see Jones back.

          Why the hell is DJ playing and Grant an emergency? I just don't get it, I don't understand the MC, this is just plainly ridiculous.

          Last week, DJ was hopeless, every time he went near the ball; even ran into an open goal and sprayed it.
          The criticism of DJ can be justified but also can be the efforts of both Jones and Grant who continue to be recycled after a poor season by them both.

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          • Nuggety Back Pocket
            WOOF Member
            • Oct 2009
            • 2064

            #65
            Re: Match Committee- Round 22 vs Geelong

            Originally posted by stefoid
            Do people really reckon Roughead is pegged as a permanent back? I cant see it myself. I think its just a training exercise.
            At the start of 2012, Roughead had been earmarked by the MC as the understudy to Minson in the ruck. This saw him being played mainly as a forward where he struggled. Roughead has certainly looked a lot better as a defender but do not rule out the possibility of eventually him taking over the number one rucking role from big Will.

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            • jeemak
              Bulldog Legend
              • Oct 2010
              • 21584

              #66
              Re: Match Committee- Round 22 vs Geelong

              NGP, agree that Roughead can't be discounted as our next ruckman.

              Playing him in defense will give him a very good perspective on how valuable to the defense a strategically placed ruckman can be to stop opposition forward thrusts.

              The days of ruckmen falling behind the play are gone for the most part, though having one present in the landing zone on any area of the ground greatly helps the slowing the opposition down.
              TF is this?.........Obviously you're not a golfer.

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              • Ghost Dog
                WOOF Member
                • May 2010
                • 9404

                #67
                Re: Match Committee- Round 22 vs Geelong

                Originally posted by jeemak
                NGP, agree that Roughead can't be discounted as our next ruckman.

                Playing him in defense will give him a very good perspective on how valuable to the defense a strategically placed ruckman can be to stop opposition forward thrusts.

                The days of ruckmen falling behind the play are gone for the most part, though having one present in the landing zone on any area of the ground greatly helps the slowing the opposition down.
                It took Minson near on 6-7 years to begin to dominate in the ruck. Is it not a position that takes quite a long time to master? If we really want him to be a ruckman, play him in the ruck now I reckon, witht he odd spell down back.
                You don't develop courage by being happy in your relationships every day. You develop it by surviving difficult times and challenging adversity. ― Epicurus

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                • jeemak
                  Bulldog Legend
                  • Oct 2010
                  • 21584

                  #68
                  Re: Match Committee- Round 22 vs Geelong

                  Originally posted by Ghost Dog
                  It took Minson near on 6-7 years to begin to dominate in the ruck. Is it not a position that takes quite a long time to master? If we really want him to be a ruckman, play him in the ruck now I reckon, witht he odd spell down back.
                  So what do we do with a peaking Minson? Disregard him for the next two or three years in lieu of ensuring Roughead develops?

                  Whilst we played all of Campbell, Cordy, Roughead and Minson in the same side this year, I really can't see us continuing to do that as our side becomes more competitive. This year however, is all about getting games in to as many players as possible.
                  TF is this?.........Obviously you're not a golfer.

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                  • Ghost Dog
                    WOOF Member
                    • May 2010
                    • 9404

                    #69
                    Re: Match Committee- Round 22 vs Geelong

                    Originally posted by jeemak
                    So what do we do with a peaking Minson? Disregard him for the next two or three years in lieu of ensuring Roughead develops?

                    Whilst we played all of Campbell, Cordy, Roughead and Minson in the same side this year, I really can't see us continuing to do that as our side becomes more competitive. This year however, is all about getting games in to as many players as possible.
                    2 rucks to share the duties. Or is this not going to work?
                    You don't develop courage by being happy in your relationships every day. You develop it by surviving difficult times and challenging adversity. ― Epicurus

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                    • jeemak
                      Bulldog Legend
                      • Oct 2010
                      • 21584

                      #70
                      Re: Match Committee- Round 22 vs Geelong

                      Originally posted by Ghost Dog
                      2 rucks to share the duties. Or is this not going to work?
                      Yes it will, though one of the rucks can't sit on the bench all day, and having one two rucks versatile enough to hold down a position outside of that discipline is key to us having a balanced side. Hence, Roughead learns the trade of a backman and a forward.

                      I'm really happy with his progress as both a forward and backman. Sure his kicking for goal can let him down, but this can be fixed, and in a side where he has solid forward ball movement he'll get plenty of opportunities.
                      TF is this?.........Obviously you're not a golfer.

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                      • azabob
                        Hall of Fame
                        • Sep 2008
                        • 15210

                        #71
                        Re: Match Committee- Round 22 vs Geelong

                        Jones out, Campbell in.

                        Would have preferred Grant in.

                        Roberts now emergency.
                        More of an In Bruges guy?

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                        • BornInDroopSt'54
                          Bulldog Team of the Century
                          • Jan 2009
                          • 5174

                          #72
                          Re: Match Committee- Round 22 vs Geelong

                          Originally posted by bornadog
                          Good to see Jones back.

                          Why the hell is DJ playing and Grant an emergency? I just don't get it, I don't understand the MC, this is just plainly ridiculous.

                          Last week, DJ was hopeless, every time he went near the ball; even ran into an open goal and sprayed it.
                          DJ's fumbles may be sen as a mental and solvable problem, like Lindsay Thomas' goal kicking. Also he may be in the squad this week because we're playing Geelong, his old team and he may lift.
                          Footscray Football Republic.

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                          • LostDoggy
                            WOOF Member
                            • Jan 2007
                            • 8307

                            #73
                            Re: Match Committee- Round 22 vs Geelong

                            Originally posted by azabob
                            Jones out, Campbell in.

                            Would have preferred Grant in.

                            Roberts now emergency.
                            Great give him another go at something he isn't capable of.
                            Unless its wet, can't see us getting within 80 points.
                            Not worried, next year we will just flick the switch and all will be ok again.

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                            • SlimPickens
                              Coaching Staff
                              • Aug 2010
                              • 2929

                              #74
                              Re: Match Committee- Round 22 vs Geelong

                              Originally posted by azabob
                              Jones out, Campbell in.

                              Would have preferred Grant in.

                              Roberts now emergency.
                              Where was that reported?
                              "Loves a scrap....oh yeah & he's a pretty handy footballer as well"

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                              • LostDoggy
                                WOOF Member
                                • Jan 2007
                                • 8307

                                #75
                                Re: Match Committee- Round 22 vs Geelong

                                Originally posted by LongWait
                                Panos on Scarlett - welcome to the AFL son! Good thing for him to stay at Willi this week.
                                Yet we going to play someone who apart from a couple practice match marks hasnt looked like a forward somewhere near Scarlett.
                                Beside Scarlett isn't near the player he was and we are out matched in many positions, whats the problem in giving Panos his go.
                                Wasted draft pick.

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