Ayce Cordy

[Ghost Dog]

Re: Ayce Cordy

The club spoke about Cordy alot, pumped him up to be a God....well very disapointed in what I see,every time he gets the ball...which is not very often... he muffs it. Liability I think.

Really? Rough Diamond was the best description I ever heard.

[jeemak]

Re: Ayce Cordy

For mine, he's another player who was clearly under-developed when coming to the club, and has had multiple injuries since arriving only putting him further back from where he started.

If we had any decent forwards to hold that area of the ground together he'd be learning his craft at Williamstown, but because of our list issues he's being exposed at the highest level, against mature bodies who know their craft.

Cordy isn't going to be our power forward, nor is he going to be our first ruck. Instead, he's going to be the pinch hit ruckman that can kick two or so goals a game consistently, and history shows that in sides that are well balanced these guys are worth their weight in gold.

I find it laughable how many people are willing to write such a raw player off after 14 senior games. Especially once again, considering how bloody difficult it must be for such a novice to have to play in a side that can't move the ball on quickly or kick the ball to advantage.

I agree that Ayce played an ordinary game on Sunday. But, the only goal he kicked came when he got in front of his opponent and the ball was delivered in quickly. Irrespective of whether he deserved a free kick on the basis of being nudeged under the ball, he'll more often than not under those circumstances have either a very good chance of marking the ball, or being awarded a free kick.

Is it any surprise, that the only players that have made a reasonable impact on our scoreboard this year have been Dickson, Giansiracusa and Higgins? These guys are natural and crafty forwards, that haven't had to play on two or three defenders in the air, and have been able to apply their high level of nouse to get by.

Give the guy time to acclimatise to the game, and the change in shape his body has taken over the last two years. Also understand, that if he keeps getting games whilst not leading towards the ball carrier week in week out, it might just be that he's acting under instruction and the coaching staff feel that he'll develop further at this point in time by holding his position and learning to contest body on body rather than leading at the ball carrier.

[Mantis]

Re: Ayce Cordy

I agree that Ayce played an ordinary game on Sunday. But, the only goal he kicked came when he got in front of his opponent and the ball was delivered in quickly. Irrespective of whether he deserved a free kick on the basis of being nudeged under the ball, he'll more often than not under those circumstances have either a very good chance of marking the ball, or being awarded a free kick.

There was a 6 inch height difference in this contest. When matched up against a more 'like' player he was a non-factor.

[Ghost Dog]

Re: Ayce Cordy

There was a 6 inch height difference in this contest. When matched up against a more 'like' player he was a non-factor.

Mantis do you remember the North Game? I think he was against Ferrito or someone of the same height. He monstered him off the ball, great core strength, then marked it.

[jeemak]

Re: Ayce Cordy

There was a 6 inch height difference in this contest. When matched up against a more 'like' player he was a non-factor.

Do you think he will remain the same after 75 games, when we're able to move the ball better or is he as good as he is going to get?

By the way, isn't that the point behind drafting people that are 200cm tall and have athletic ability?

[stefoid]

Re: Ayce Cordy

Give the guy time to acclimatise to the game, and the change in shape his body has taken over the last two years. Also understand, that if he keeps getting games whilst not leading towards the ball carrier week in week out, it might just be that he's acting under instruction and the coaching staff feel that he'll develop further at this point in time by holding his position and learning to contest body on body rather than leading at the ball carrier.

This is an interesting observation. Leading into space to recieve the ball is footy 101 stuff. During this development year we are all about contested footy, maybe that includes contesting the long ball? In the gym every other day, but running out of puff in the second half.

Hopefully ball and player movement comes next year. And fitness.

Perhaps what we will see next preseason instead of endless contests for the loose ball in between bouts of wrestling, it will be endless hard running and end to end drills resulting in kicking to leading forwads?

Just a hunch.

[Bulldog4life]

Re: Ayce Cordy

It is bordering on the insane to write off a tall player like Ayce after 14 games. Not sure if he'll turn out to be a key forward or ruckman but gee it is such early days yet.

[Sockeye Salmon]

Re: Ayce Cordy

This is an interesting observation. Leading into space to recieve the ball is footy 101 stuff.

We move the ball so slowly that by the time he needs to lead he can't take 3 steps without running into someone else's arse.

[Mofra]

Re: Ayce Cordy

This is an interesting observation. Leading into space to recieve the ball is footy 101 stuff. During this development year we are all about contested footy, maybe that includes contesting the long ball? In the gym every other day, but running out of puff in the second half.

Hopefully ball and player movement comes next year. And fitness.

Perhaps what we will see next preseason instead of endless contests for the loose ball in between bouts of wrestling, it will be endless hard running and end to end drills resulting in kicking to leading forwads?

Just a hunch.

In his first season, he played as a mobiel CHF/HFF a few times as Willy and I remember him leading hard - you could be onto something here.
B-Mac clearly seems to be coaching to instruction. IIRC Eade's one on one defence in his first season leaked goals but proved fruitful in later years, hopefully B-Mac is implementing something similar in certain aspects of player behaviour.

[Bornadog]

Re: Ayce Cordy

Mantis do you remember the North Game? I think he was against Ferrito or someone of the same height. He monstered him off the ball, great core strength, then marked it.

Firrito is 12 cm shorter than Cordy

[Ghost Dog]

Re: Ayce Cordy

Firrito is 12 cm shorter than Cordy

I can't remember who it was, but Cordy can contest and use his body. He can wrestle, and I'm confident he'll be a good forward option for us.

[Mantis]

Re: Ayce Cordy

Do you think he will remain the same after 75 games, when we're able to move the ball better or is he as good as he is going to get?

I would like to think he will improve, as we improve, but it isn't a given that both will occur.

By the way, isn't that the point behind drafting people that are 200cm tall and have athletic ability?

As he has filled out he isn't as agile as he once was,... hopefully as he matures he will re-discover the athletic properties that made him a highly regarded player.

[Remi Moses]

Re: Ayce Cordy

It is bordering on the insane to write off a tall player like Ayce after 14 games. Not sure if he'll turn out to be a key forward or ruckman but gee it is such early days yet.

Couldn't agree more! It's getting so Big Footy on here it's insane!
Far to early to call, and for every Mcdougall there's a bloke like Hansen at North( who every North fan wanted out ) .

[Bornadog]

Re: Ayce Cordy

Couldn't agree more! It's getting so Big Footy on here it's insane!
Far to early to call, and for every Mcdougall there's a bloke like Hansen at North( who every North fan wanted out ) .

If you saw him play on Sunday you would think he has gone backwards. 3 disposals in a half of footy is no progress.

[LostDoggy]

Re: Ayce Cordy

All young players are inconsistent and that especially goes for tall players. Ayce has also showed some good signs early in the year so I'd be a little hesitant to write him off just yet because he's not playing like Dean Cox!