Chris Dawes?

[jeemak]

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After reading BAD's link I suppose I might be able to come to the conclusion that our own poor list management and football departments actions this year will be mitigated by the poor list management and football departments actions in previous years!

Dawes, if not just after money, might not view us as a reasonable option to be traded to. I suppose there's always a silver lining, you just have to look very hard for it sometimes!

[Raw Toast]

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There's behind the scenes subterfuge and then there's blatant lying and mirepresenting the club - if the Dawes trade is true, our guys misrepresented the club on Monday afternoon after the Lake trade.

In the US they call the month of trading and then drafting in the NFL 'liars month' - it might be an indictment on me, but I don't mind it.

[Raw Toast]

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Well, we did want to Bring Back Bartlett. I guess the people spoke and the footy dept listened...

Glorious!

[Twodogs]

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Now that I've been to my happy place for a few hours I'm coming to terms with 24 and 40something for Dawes. As already pointed out he'd do a lot of the donkey work up forward and at least he seems to want to come to the club.

If we dont get him then I'm just as happy to keep the picks.

[Redemption97]

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Rumour is pick 47 not 41, however see article I posted above, so not done yet.

I've edited. Despite that I'm still not too keen on the alleged offer. 21 should be plenty enough given his drop in form this year.

I saw your link just after my post. Yes he might not be too keen to not be in the finals for a few years! Melbourne is not a great option either on that front!

[Eastdog]

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If we are going to get Chris Dawes what role will he play. Would FF be his best position to get the most out of him. If we have him as a second ruck man like Collingwood did we won't get the most out of Dawes. Minson we got the most out of this year as he was our new #1 ruck and hopefully now with Roughead being our #1 fullback he shows his potential.

[Topdog]

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I give up if the rumored trade is true

[Redemption97]

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I'd say he'd switch between deep forward to lead up player when kicking long up the wings.

This year he wasn't too flash with his marking but when confident I've seen him clunk some great grabs on the lead and contested. Kicking for goal is ok but not super. He's only 24 so there is scope for improvement.

I'd see him taking the opposition's best back and freeing the likes of Jones and Cordy to play on lesser defenders.

[jeemak]

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Eastdog, I'm not sure he's suited to second ruck though he will be able to help out in the forward line with those duties if one of either Minson and Campbell have the sub vest on, and Cordy is plainly being played as a forward. Considering Roughead is being earmarked as a backman to replace Lake, he's not likely to be in the equation for ruck duties unless we get injuries on game day, or other key backs like Talia, Markovic and Roberts get early runs on the board and he struggles.

Dawes' only realistic position with us will be as a full forward, or forward pocket. I still think that in the event of us bringing Dawes in, we'll be aiming to have Grant and Jones playing high, Dawes switching between deep forward and 40-50m out with Cordy who will mainly stay deep.

I think it's more likely that Cordy will help out with ruck duties around the ground for developments sake when we need assistance when Minson and Campbell are having a spell.

[anfo27]

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I can't believe we are giving up 21 & 47 for this guy. This has been the trade period from hell & there is still 2 weeks to go. I don't think i can last another 2 weeks of this. We are a joke & clubs are laughing at us.

Please do not do this deal.

[Eastdog]

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Eastdog, I'm not sure he's suited to second ruck though he will be able to help out in the forward line with those duties if one of either Minson and Campbell have the sub vest on, and Cordy is plainly being played as a forward. Considering Roughead is being earmarked as a backman to replace Lake, he's not likely to be in the equation for ruck duties unless we get injuries on game day, or other key backs like Talia, Markovic and Roberts get early runs on the board and he struggles.

Dawes' only realistic position with us will be as a full forward, or forward pocket. I still think that in the event of us bringing Dawes in, we'll be aiming to have Grant and Jones playing high, Dawes switching between deep forward and 40-50m out with Cordy who will mainly stay deep.

I think it's more likely that Cordy will help out with ruck duties around the ground for developments sake when we need assistance when Minson and Campbell are having a spell.

Cordy helping out in the ruck would be better for him because when his been forward he hasn't looked very convincing. Do you reckon jeemak now if Dawes comes to us and plays up there that we will score more goals than we have this season.

[jeemak]

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Link


WEEKEND talks are expected to decide the future of Collingwood forward Chris Dawes.

Rumours were rife on Wednesday that Dawes had agreed to a deal with the Western Bulldogs, but that was hosed down by his management on Wednesday night.

Dawes' manager, Ben Niall, met the Dogs on Tuesday, but said he was still gathering information so his client could make the best call on where to play next year.

Melbourne was also among the interested parties.

"No decision has been made," Niall said.

"We're still going through a process. We've got a few clubs that we've met with. It's really about getting a sense of the club and its list evolution and where they're going."

Dawes said he wanted to leave the Pies after the club's capture of West Coast forward Quinten Lynch.

The 24-year-old had two years to run on a contract he signed 12 months ago, meaning rival suitors would have to formulate a trade acceptable to the Magpies.

The Bulldogs were not short on draft picks that could get a deal for Dawes over the line.

The Dogs had three first-round selections and six of the first 47 picks after receiving No.21 and No.41 from Hawthorn in the deal for Brian Lake.

I can't believe we are giving up 21 & 47 for this guy. This has been the trade period from hell & there is still 2 weeks to go. I don't think i can last another 2 weeks of this. We are a joke & clubs are laughing at us.

Please do not do this deal.

We haven't done the deal just yet, and we're not even a lock to land him.

We need to be realistic about who's likely to be available around the pick 21 mark (ie, will they have a bigger impact on our club than Dawes might), and the pick 47 mark before we get too upset about the clubs actions (considering Norf were willing to use pick 35 on Hunter who was rated by most on this site as no better than a very late second round pick, but most likely a mid to late third).

We also need to consider how they see the list balancing out after we potentially offload guys like Sherman, Veszpremi, Grant, Tutt (these are guys that fellow woofers have nominated as potential out-trades, not necessarily mine) etc, and picks we might trade in for them.

I hope there's a plan, I really do. I wasn't as offended by the Lake deal as others, though it seems I'm in the minority on that one. But as you say, there's two weeks to go in the trade period and there might be some very good reasons behind the club acting in the way it has to this point.

I'm not going to pillory the club until the trade and draft periods are over, and we get a bit of a handle on how the players brought in compare to those moved on, and see how the list comes together throughout next year.

[Dry Rot]

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I hope there's a plan, I really do.

I think there is, but it's a bad plan. Among other errors, I think it anticipates that Jones and Cordy will be useful forwards.

[jeemak]

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I think there is, but it's a bad plan. Among other errors, I think it anticipates that Jones and Cordy will be useful forwards.

That Jones guy that was in the top five or so in the league for contested marks at 20 year old when he had a bigger bodied player taking some the heat off?

I know Cordy has had a slow start, but he's had to work around putting on 25kg or so since being drafted in 2008, amongst dealing with multiple shoulder operations as well. Are you sure you're not jumping the gun with him DR?

If the Dawes trade comes off, irrespective of what we trade for him with I can't see it being a bad thing for Cordy and Jones.

[Dry Rot]

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That Jones guy that was in the top five or so in the league for contested marks at 20 year old when he had a bigger bodied player taking some the heat off?

I know Cordy has had a slow start, but he's had to work around putting on 25kg or so since being drafted in 2008, amongst dealing with multiple shoulder operations as well. Are you sure you're not jumping the gun with him DR?

If the Dawes trade comes off, irrespective of what we trade for him with I can't see it being a bad thing for Cordy and Jones.

The bright side is that we'll be shown what our our tall forwards are like in 2013 , finish last and get Boyd.

I don't get see much of the Dogs on TV, but from what I've seen Jones and Cordy are awful tall forwards.

Jones may become a fair CHB to replace Williams, but I dunno where Cordy should play.