Chris Dawes?

[LostDoggy]

Re: Chris Dawes?

Well I'm happy enough to get Dawes as our forward line desperately needs a big solid player (resting rucks aren't natural forwards as we've seen) and this will allow the pressure to come off Jones and Cordy and allow them to learn their craft on lesser defenders. Yes we said we wouldn't be active during trade period, however these comments are made based on the information at hand, and as we all know, things change pretty quickly and opportunities present themselves.

Suppose this, Dawes was good in 2010/11, but what if he was playing injured last year and what if his relationship with Buckley isn't strong? His willingness to leave a big successful club and the club's willingness to let him leave could suggest that the relationship isn't strong for various reasons. I also think that Dawes fits the age bracket and also fits within the development plan the club is taking. KPP's don't hit their peak until later on so he is also still developing himself.

At the end of the day, I'll back to the hills anyone who is willing to pull on the red, white and blue.

[WB4Life]

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for all those against it, get on twitter, FB, email the club, it may all be for nothing, but doing nothing will for sure do nothing.

make sure they understand that we will stick by them thru the rough rebuilding years. Dawes doesn't fix us in 4 - 7 thats what we need to look at, write of 2013 - 2015, we need to draft for the future, get as many picks as we possible can and build an army...

getting a mediocre big man to take the weight of our up and comers is all well and good, but not at the expense of the rebuild.

[LostDoggy]

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for all those against it, get on twitter, FB, email the club, it may all be for nothing, but doing nothing will for sure do nothing.

make sure they understand that we will stick by them thru the rough rebuilding years. Dawes doesn't fix us in 4 - 7 thats what we need to look at, write of 2013 - 2015, we need to draft for the future, get as many picks as we possible can and build an army...

getting a mediocre big man to take the weight of our up and comers is all well and good, but not at the expense of the rebuild.

The club (rightly or wrongly) would have more esteem for what the drunk across the road thinks than the “ferals” on Facebook.

[Dancin' Douggy]

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You reckon we'd get a better outcome dealing with both the Hawks and the Pies at the same time? I highly doubt it.



Ballantyne is a little beauty. Definitely ahead of Dahlhaus at the moment, much as I love Lukey.

Yeah but it wouldn't hurt to try. Because we can just sign off on the lake deal in 2 weeks time if don't get a better outcome.

[LostDoggy]

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Well I'm happy enough to get Dawes as our forward line desperately needs a big solid player (resting rucks aren't natural forwards as we've seen) and this will allow the pressure to come off Jones and Cordy and allow them to learn their craft on lesser defenders. Yes we said we wouldn't be active during trade period, however these comments are made based on the information at hand, and as we all know, things change pretty quickly and opportunities present themselves.

Suppose this, Dawes was good in 2010/11, but what if he was playing injured last year and what if his relationship with Buckley isn't strong? His willingness to leave a big successful club and the club's willingness to let him leave could suggest that the relationship isn't strong for various reasons. I also think that Dawes fits the age bracket and also fits within the development plan the club is taking. KPP's don't hit their peak until later on so he is also still developing himself.

At the end of the day, I'll back to the hills anyone who is willing to pull on the red, white and blue.

He might also thrive being the number 1 target.

Look, guys, either way at least he looks the part. He might be a bit of an intellectual off-field, but on-field he looks like a gorilla.

[LostDoggy]

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Yeah but it wouldn't hurt to try. Because we can just sign off on the lake deal in 2 weeks time if don't get a better outcome.

(Firstly, sorry for all the replies guys.)

I remember a few times in recent years (correct me if I'm wrong, which I'm sure you all will ) Hawthorn have pulled out at the last minute and left us stranded, perhaps we just didn't want to give them that opportunity again. Once bitten twice shy.

[Yankee Hotel Foxtrot]

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I mentioned on another thread his stats aren't dissimilar to Petrie at a similar age.
Dawes is far more suited to the FF role he played in 2011 than the Leigh Brown type role he played in 2012.

I don't think 21 is overs - the best pick 21 in past years is Hayden Ballantyne and I';d take Dahlhaus (a rookie pick) over Ballantyne.

I am dead against any messing with picks 5 or 6 for Dawes.

Yes but it is not logical to look at just who went at pick 21. By losing pick 21 for Dawes we are ostensibly giving up the right to any players between pick 21 and our next pick (47?) For example wasn't Tippet pick 32 and Sam Reid from Sydney pick 30 something. Unless the club think very little of either the talent at that position of the draft, or have little faith in our recruiting team to find talent at that level of the draft then I think we should stick to our plan of drafting our own.

[Topdog]

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My main problem is Dawes is a complete stop gap in my opinion.

[LostDoggy]

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Yes but it is not logical to look at just who went at pick 21. By losing pick 21 for Dawes we are ostensibly giving up the right to any players between pick 21 and our next pick (47?) For example wasn't Tippet pick 32 and Sam Reid from Sydney pick 30 something. Unless the club think very little of either the talent at that position of the draft, or have little faith in our recruiting team to find talent at that level of the draft then I think we should stick to our plan of drafting our own.

This strengthens the case for Dawes, in my view. Are we going to find a KPP that can keep the pressure off Cordy, Grant and Jones at picks 21-47?

[comrade]

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I mentioned on another thread his stats aren't dissimilar to Petrie at a similar age.
Dawes is far more suited to the FF role he played in 2011 than the Leigh Brown type role he played in 2012.

I don't think 21 is overs - the best pick 21 in past years is Hayden Ballantyne and I';d take Dahlhaus (a rookie pick) over Ballantyne.

I am dead against any messing with picks 5 or 6 for Dawes.

You can't just look at the players picked at 21 in isolation. It's the opportunity cost of giving up pick 21. There is PLENTY of quality left in the draft between pick 21 - 40.

By giving away pick 21, we're giving up the opportunity to recruit a very good young player.

In 2010, Pick 21 would have given you access to Jack Darling, Kieren Harper and Patrick Karnezis (all before pick 30).

In 2009, Pick 21 would have given you access to Mitch Duncan, Jack Gunston and Sam Reid (all before pick 40)

In 2008, Pick 21 would have given you access to Jackson Trengove, David Zaharakis, Jack Redden, Nic Suban, Dayne Beams and Daniel Hannebery (all before pick 30).

[Rocket Science]

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I liked Kingsley Hunter too.

I can see a pattern of talent here: Bartlett, Hunter, Dawes.....

Surely Tom Davidson rates a mention too...

[DOG GOD]

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Unless the club think very little of either the talent at that position of the draft, or have little faith in our recruiting team to find talent at that level of the draft then I think we should stick to our plan of drafting our own.

In my opinion, if the club have little faith in our recruiting team to find talent around the 21 pick mark, then the recruiting team we have need to be sacked.

[DOG GOD]

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You can't just look at the players picked at 21 in isolation. It's the opportunity cost of giving up pick 21. There is PLENTY of quality left in the draft between pick 21 - 40.

By giving away pick 21, we're giving up the opportunity to recruit a very good young player.

In 2010, Pick 21 would have given you access to Jack Darling, Kieren Harper and Patrick Karnezis (all before pick 30).

In 2009, Pick 21 would have given you access to Mitch Duncan, Jack Gunston and Sam Reid (all before pick 40)

In 2008, Pick 21 would have given you access to Jackson Trengove, David Zaharakis, Jack Redden, Nic Suban, Dayne Beams and Daniel Hannebery (all before pick 30).

Some VERY good players there comrade...would love any of them at the dogs !!!

[LostDoggy]

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I think the history of us picking up dud forwards was born from the list deficiency we had for a long time with our key forwards and the constant pressure the club was under to unearth a key forward to help take us to the next level. I also believe that the football department these days is much better qualified to make decisions than past footy departments. I will say that this is just my opinion and not based on any real knowledge!

[Yankee Hotel Foxtrot]

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In my opinion, if the club have little faith in our recruiting team to find talent around the 21 pick mark, then the recruiting team we have need to be sacked.

Correct!