Chris Dawes?

[WB4Life]

Re: Chris Dawes?

The club (rightly or wrongly) would have more esteem for what the drunk across the road thinks than the “ferals” on Facebook.

the point i'm trying to make is it's all well and good to have our intelleuctual discussions on here, but how bout actually going to the club with our concerns... let them know we will support the rebuild thru the bad times. whether that be social media or direct contact with the club itself... whats the point to thumping our chest in private...

don't get me wrong this is not a rip up your membership call to arms, its a call to arms in support of the club, and doing the hard yards to try and reclaim some longterm success!

[Yankee Hotel Foxtrot]

Re: Chris Dawes?

This strengthens the case for Dawes, in my view. Are we going to find a KPP that can keep the pressure off Cordy, Grant and Jones at picks 21-47?

See Comrade's post for examples of past talent available. A Jack Darling, a Sam Reid, a Kurt Tippet?
Let's be honest (as opposed to negative) Dawes is not going to improve much, and he is a support act at best. He is not going to make a large difference to our win loss ratio next year. I would rather we locate and stockpile some more talent via the draft than tread water with an average footballer in Dawes.

[Maddog37]

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We don't even know if we will get him yet but assuming we do, maybe they think having a more mature individual in the forward line will assist the development of our kids hence the net overall effect is greater than simply the individuals output.


He is young and finals experienced, Malthouse and Neeld both know him well and want him at their clubs.

[DOG GOD]

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He is young and finals experienced, Malthouse and Neeld both know him well and want him at their clubs.

Then let them get screwed over by the pies and we can walk to the draft

[Hotdog60]

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If it happens lets hope he come to us with something to prove, to show the wobbles the error they have made.

Maybe he has been put in a role that is not suited to him and he could be a natural FF which was taken by Cloke and then the deficiencies in the wobbles ruck line up had him also doing something that he was not suited to.

I hope that if it happens that he jumps to another level.

If it does happen let it happen for us in a very big way.

[LongWait]

Re: Chris Dawes?

the point i'm trying to make is it's all well and good to have our intelleuctual discussions on here, but how bout actually going to the club with our concerns... let them know we will support the rebuild thru the bad times. whether that be social media or direct contact with the club itself... whats the point to thumping our chest in private...

don't get me wrong this is not a rip up your membership call to arms, its a call to arms in support of the club, and doing the hard yards to try and reclaim some longterm success!

You should email the club and calmly and rationally explain your view. If more supporters did this about issues they feel are important we would be a better club for it.

I don't think that using internet forums or social media is the most effective way to get to the decision-makers in the club.

[WB4Life]

Re: Chris Dawes?

We don't even know if we will get him yet but assuming we do, maybe they think having a more mature individual in the forward line will assist the development of our kids hence the net overall effect is greater than simply the individuals output.


He is young and finals experienced, Malthouse and Neeld both know him well and want him at their clubs.

this is the obvious thinking, but my problem is we are doing it at the expense of rebuilding thru draft picks, he's and what he brings not worth what we are giving up!

if they are as high on them as they say, where are thier offers? Melbourne have very similar picks to us, while carlton have 11 and 33, i'm sure they could add other pieces, cause they wouldn't be giving up 11.

[Doc26]

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Been pondering the Dawes topic since his name first became associated with us. I'm still not convinced it's that bad a move to look at bringing him over at a fair price.

Yes, I to have seen him perform poorly on numerous occasions throughout 2012 although with Leigh Brown moving on at the end of 2011 his role at Collingwood this season did change significantly being called on to fill the very different role that Leigh Brown filled for them as 2nd ruck. Have heard from numerous Collingwood supporters that they believed his Club was doing him a disservice but he battled on without quarrel. He's certainly made of good character and is popular with his team mates.

His confidence loooked damaged as a result of his changed circumstance and appeared to have the effect of limiting his effectiveness as a leading target, too often finding himself running under the ball and losing his ability to take a contested grab or even spoil a contest.

As a strong body, lead up tall forward and at a nice age of ~24 he could certainly fill a need for us in providing a leading target, assist in bringing on the development of Jones, Cordy even Fletcher Roberts whilst helping to give our small forwards a better chance of being competitive.

I don't believe the proposition is as bad as it might seem to be being made out to be.

[WB4Life]

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You should email the club and calmly and rationally explain your view. If more supporters did this about issues they feel are important we would be a better club for it.

I don't think that using internet forums or social media is the most effective way to get to the decision-makers in the club.

all my posts, emails have been calm and rational.

i have explained please don't waste our draft picks on a player that will potentially benefit us in the next couple of years, we need to think 4 - 7 years down the track, we need to build from the ground up through drafting talented youngsters, and developing them to be a force in the future, lets be honest the next 2 - 3 years are going to hurt, but can you imagine the group we could put together, not to mention the young talent we currently have on our roster.

these 100 + point loses will hurt, some supporters will get angry, but we have to stick to the long term plan. we will stand behind you in the dark years cause we can see the light.

[LostDoggy]

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I understand the position regarding recruiting quality young players and I agree that 21 for Dawes is paying overs, but my issue is that if we go for another young player then we most likely have to wait for that player to play a couple of seasons to see if the pick was worthwhile.

Yes, I think Dawes is worth chasing for the right price. We know what we are getting, he has a big body and will take a larger KP backman to relieve pressure on the less physically developed KP fwds. I know history says we have poor records of picking up KPF duds, but from my memory we didnt have a lot of younger talent pushing up behind these 'great white hopes'. We have 2-3 developing forwards who need to have some physical strength around them to assist in their development.

What price we would be willing to pay, Im not sure (hopefully not pick 21). Collingwood would probably want overs as he is under contract, so if it is an unrealistic price, we need to let it slide and keep looking.

However, I do like the thought of a player with a bigger build to come into the club to help the fwd line over the next couple of years. Maybe someone from the VFL, SANFL or WAFL, at least they wont cost us too much.

[DOG GOD]

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I wouldn't mind having Dawes, but I'd like to see if we could offload someone like Sherman and a latter pic for someone's pick around 26-32 and offer that for Dawes.

Someone on big footy mentioned about a trade that would involve us giving pick 6 to GWS and getting picks 12,13 and Anderson in return...how would posters feel about that?

[Murphy'sLore]

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Picks 5 and 6 should be untouchable. God! Do GWS really need another pick in the top 10??

[LostDoggy]

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If Kurt Tippet nominated Bulldogs has his destination of choice, would the Dawes Knockers be throwing pick 21 at the crows & cartwheeling around whitten oval?
If so, Dawes & Tippet's career average stats read very much the same, except Dawes has a premiership medal & is a year younger, nowhere near reached his peek.

SHUSH.....don't tell Sydney!

Dawes is currently better than anything we have up forward.
I have faith in the people payed lots of money to make these decisions, & I hope they get the deal done!

[always right]

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As much as I don't rate Dawes I'm more concerned that we don't pay overs for him. We should walk away unless the deal is a good one and I don't think picks 21 and 47 is a good deal for us. They don't want him so we are in the bargaining position. Surely we aren't desparate to get him.

[LongWait]

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all my posts, emails have been calm and rational.

i have explained please don't waste our draft picks on a player that will potentially benefit us in the next couple of years, we need to think 4 - 7 years down the track, we need to build from the ground up through drafting talented youngsters, and developing them to be a force in the future, lets be honest the next 2 - 3 years are going to hurt, but can you imagine the group we could put together, not to mention the young talent we currently have on our roster.

these 100 + point loses will hurt, some supporters will get angry, but we have to stick to the long term plan. we will stand behind you in the dark years cause we can see the light.

All good points too.