Round 1 v Brisbane at Etihad, Saturday 30 March 2013

[Bornadog]

Re: Round 1 v Brisbane at Etihad, Saturday 30 March 2013

THe clubs get equalisation payments which offsets the lack of Friday night games but that will not account for the greater membership, sponsorship, merchandise sales etc etc that flow on from having greater profiles.

The clubs with more money can spend more on football departments outside of the salary cap and history is showing the teams that spend more win more. Therefore it becomes a self fulfilling cycle.

An absolute joke in my opinion. AFL is focussing too much on the macro at the expense of the smaller clubs. Their agenda should be to treat all clubs equally first and profit second.

Yep, the bigger clubs get bigger and bigger and us minnows continually struggle. Short term thinking by the AFL

[Mantis]

Re: Round 1 v Brisbane at Etihad, Saturday 30 March 2013

Yep, the bigger clubs get bigger and bigger and us minnows continually struggle. Short term thinking by the AFL

How so?

During a successful period (for us anyway) from 2008-2010 we played in our fair share of Friday & Saturday night games, played an exciting brand of footy, but did this translate to extra sponsorship $$'s or increased membership numbers?... No.

In the same time 'big' clubs like Collingwood & Hawthorn have grown their membership numbers by 20, 30 even 40% and have signed multi-million $ sponsorship deals.

We only have ourselves to blame by not being able to cash in on our brand.

And as per Sedat's post we were dead-set boring to watch for most of this year, even I turned it off.

[Bornadog]

Re: Round 1 v Brisbane at Etihad, Saturday 30 March 2013

How so?

During a successful period (for us anyway) from 2008-2010 we played in our fair share of Friday & Saturday night games, played an exciting brand of footy, but did this translate to extra sponsorship $$'s or increased membership numbers?... No.

and while we were successful, who got the blockbusters on TV? who played more on FTA and who got raped at Eithad. We had the highest attendance of any tenant club at Eithad in 2008/2009 and got nothing for it. We were also stuck with more interstate trips than any big clubs (excluding sold home games)

As for membership numbers, it was the biggest growth in our history during the 2006 through to 2011 period, but, it could have been bigger in the future, when kids grow up when they have been watching us.

The more exposure the big clubs get the bigger their membership. Don't under estimate the influence the ANZAC days, Friday Nights, Indigenous game, Queens birthday etc have on little kids watching.

Yes we are boring at the moment, but the more we don't get exposure the further behind we get.

[Sedat]

Re: Round 1 v Brisbane at Etihad, Saturday 30 March 2013

And as per Sedat's post we were dead-set boring to watch for most of this year, even I turned it off.

I've been a footy tragic since the late 70's and I willingly didn't bother watching quite a few games late in the season - probably the first games I've willingly missed in my adult life, but we were just putrid to watch and utterly non-competitive.

I couldn't imagine we could possibly be worse in 2013 than we were in the 2nd half of 2012.

[Bornadog]

Re: Round 1 v Brisbane at Etihad, Saturday 30 March 2013

I've been a footy tragic since the late 70's and I willingly didn't bother watching quite a few games late in the season - probably the first games I've willingly missed in my adult life, but we were just putrid to watch and utterly non-competitive.

I couldn't imagine we could possibly be worse in 2013 than we were in the 2nd half of 2012.

Very similar to the last 6 or 7 games in 2007, very hard to watch

[Maddog37]

Re: Round 1 v Brisbane at Etihad, Saturday 30 March 2013

I've been a footy tragic since the late 70's and I willingly didn't bother watching quite a few games late in the season - probably the first games I've willingly missed in my adult life, but we were just putrid to watch and utterly non-competitive.

I couldn't imagine we could possibly be worse in 2013 than we were in the 2nd half of 2012.

Same for me. It was a weird feeling knowing the game was on Tv and consciously finding other things to do instead.

[Mantis]

Re: Round 1 v Brisbane at Etihad, Saturday 30 March 2013

and while we were successful, who got the blockbusters on TV? who played more on FTA and who got raped at Eithad. We had the highest attendance of any tenant club at Eithad in 2008/2009 and got nothing for it. We were also stuck with more interstate trips than any big clubs (excluding sold home games)

As for membership numbers, it was the biggest growth in our history during the 2006 through to 2011 period, but, it could have been bigger in the future, when kids grow up when they have been watching us.

The more exposure the big clubs get the bigger their membership. Don't under estimate the influence the ANZAC days, Friday Nights, Indigenous game, Queens birthday etc have on little kids watching.

Yes we are boring at the moment, but the more we don't get exposure the further behind we get.

In 2009 we got 5 Friday night games which I think is pretty good for a top 4 team.

Membership numbers: (From wiki)

Us:

2006: 26,042
2010: 34,842
2012: 30,007

Collingwood:

2006: 38,038
2010: 57,617
2012: 72,668

Hawthorn:

2006: 28,003
2010: 53,951
2012: 60,867

Yep, they have won a flag in this time, but it's depressing reading.

[Bornadog]

Re: Round 1 v Brisbane at Etihad, Saturday 30 March 2013

In 2009 we got 5 Friday night games which I think is pretty good for a top 4 team.

Membership numbers: (From wiki)

Us:

2006: 26,042
2010: 34,842
2012: 30,007

Collingwood:

2006: 38,038
2010: 57,617
2012: 72,668

Hawthorn:

2006: 28,003
2010: 53,951
2012: 60,867

Yep, they have won a flag in this time, but it's depressing reading.

You proved my point how they are getting bigger and bigger.

PS: They are big numbers but there are lots of 3 game memberships and Tassie memberships which are not full memberships. If you look at average attendances Collingwood games, 17 at the MCG with a capacity of 100,000, no wonder they can grow the club.

[F'scary]

Re: Round 1 v Brisbane at Etihad, Saturday 30 March 2013

Def going to try get to the opener. Next years goal is to get to more live games. support the dog's during the rebuild.

last year was a shocker made it to a big donut 0...

Remember to look out for the silver gumby.

[Sedat]

Re: Round 1 v Brisbane at Etihad, Saturday 30 March 2013

You proved my point how they are getting bigger and bigger.

PS: They are big numbers but there are lots of 3 game memberships and Tassie memberships which are not full memberships. If you look at average attendances Collingwood games, 17 at the MCG with a capacity of 100,000, no wonder they can grow the club.

We were less than 2k short of Hawthorn back in 2006 and only 12k short of Collingwood. Our form (until this year at least) was as consistent as both these clubs in that time and yet we've added a paltry 4k members to the list since 2006 and Hawthorn have increased their number by 32k and Collingwood by 34k. We got a decent enough share of FTA TV coverage during 2008-2011 and we had good crowd attendances in that time, so clearly something is significantly amiss to have such a meagre increase on club memberships. Whatever we are doing internally just 'aint working - we aren't capturing the western region and we aren't growing our catchment.

[Bornadog]

Re: Round 1 v Brisbane at Etihad, Saturday 30 March 2013

We were less than 2k short of Hawthorn back in 2006 and only 12k short of Collingwood. Our form (until this year at least) was as consistent as both these clubs in that time and yet we've added a paltry 4k members to the list since 2006 and Hawthorn have increased their number by 32k and Collingwood by 34k. We got a decent enough share of FTA TV coverage during 2008-2011 and we had good crowd attendances in that time, so clearly something is significantly amiss to have such a meagre increase on club memberships. Whatever we are doing internally just 'aint working - we aren't capturing the western region and we aren't growing our catchment.

I agree we didn't convert, a nd perhaps we aren't doing the right thing internally, but you are missing the point. We are limited to the numbers that can attend at Eithad compared to the MCG where Collingwood and the Hawks play. We don't get the exposure on TV they do. How many ANZAC days have there been, how many big blockbusters at the MCG.

[Maddog37]

Re: Round 1 v Brisbane at Etihad, Saturday 30 March 2013

We need a Buddy Franklin type. A big part of the Hawks popularity.

[GVGjr]

Re: Round 1 v Brisbane at Etihad, Saturday 30 March 2013

Actually I would not be surprised to find the AFL and Ch. 7 might just shoot themselves in the foot with this idea of playing only the same handful of teams over and over on Friday nights.
The vast majority of viewers are in fact neutral supporters, rather than those of either participating team, but just enthusiastic football fans.
There is therefore the chance many will become heartily sick of watching the same teams they do not follow, week in and week out.
I know I for one would be heartilly bored watching the Collywobbles, Blue bags, Essendungs and Tiggers every Friday night.
Unless you get to see all the teams play, you get no real idea what is going on in the comp.

Dare I suggest Foxtel might be more than a little pissed over this arrangement as well.

As for our round 1 clash with the Leos... is there any chance that we might allocate a tagger to Rich at all? He had the run of the ground last time, and beat us off his own boot.

[gohardorgohome]

Re: Round 1 v Brisbane at Etihad, Saturday 30 March 2013

I get how we miss out on Fridays now we are in development mode. I hope the same will happen to all other clubs when they are rebuilding.

[LostDoggy]

Re: Round 1 v Brisbane at Etihad, Saturday 30 March 2013

I get how we miss out on Fridays now we are in development mode. I hope the same will happen to all other clubs when they are rebuilding.

I would like to see how Collingwood games were covered when they were down the bottom, not that long ago