Our list changes for 2013

[Maddog37]

Re: Our list changes for 2013

Yes I do. Came from a little way back and has had hip troubles along the way. He has had some quite bad games but has showed plenty in others which is a trait of youth.

[chef]

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You think he deserves more time?

I think he would be under the same pressure, same with Tutt and Jones too.

[westdog54]

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I agree with this. Shouldn't cut any more this year.

I think Vez, Addison and Cross should have been gone, lucky survivors because of The Eade administration's poor list management over the last several years.

Did you watch any football this year?

Cross was our most consistent midfielder all year up until his injury and made a positive contribution throughout the season.

Plus he's the most professional footballer at the club and is an ideal role model to our inexperienced list.

You're impossible to please.

[Eastdog]

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Cross is a workhorse in the midfield like Boyd and puts all his effort in. Cross get a lot of the ball but the one criticism of Cross is that he handballs it a lot rather than kick it. Otherwise his important as westdog54 says for experience for the young players coming through in the midfield.

[always right]

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Cross is a workhorse in the midfield like Boyd and puts all his effort in. Cross get a lot of the ball but the one criticism of Cross is that he handballs it a lot rather than kick it. Otherwise his important as westdog54 says for experience for the young players coming through in the midfield.

Cross is someone who continues to work on his weaknesses. I would like to see his stats for the last couple of years. I think you'll find he kicks the ball far more than he did previously. He has improved markedly in that he hits targets the majority of the time....he just has to play within his limitations and hit blokes 35 metres away rather than going for distance. As someone who declared very early in the piece that he would not make it, he has turned out to be one of my very favourite players.

[1eyedog]

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I would think that Skinner, Howard, Vez and Grant are the players under the pump this year.

Yep that's obvious enough.

I would not lump Howard in with Vez and Grant personally.

I would not lump Grant in with the other two personally. I'm yet to see Howard break away from backs and bend goals from the boundary.

I think he would be under the same pressure, same with Tutt and Jones too.

Jones isn't under pressure next year, maybe the year after. Anyone who takes a grab like that is worth persisting with.

[westdog54]

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Cross is someone who continues to work on his weaknesses. I would like to see his stats for the last couple of years. I think you'll find he kicks the ball far more than he did previously. He has improved markedly in that he hits targets the majority of the time....he just has to play within his limitations and hit blokes 35 metres away rather than going for distance. As someone who declared very early in the piece that he would not make it, he has turned out to be one of my very favourite players.

http://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/pc-western-bulldogs--daniel-cross

His kicks per game average is reasonably steady but his handball average has dropped off, so his kick to handball ratio has improved slightly.

[jeemak]

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I'm pretty happy with how the list changes are looking right now.

Howard as MD has said started from a long way back. He played some excellent football this year, among patches of really poor football. He needs to narrow the gap between the two to find consistency.

Grant is probably the best forward talent we have. He was always going to need time, and he will improve as the support around him improves. By support, I mean a backline and midfield that can move the ball quickly and effectively and some other forwards to share the load evenly. When he had such support he played very well. He's capable, though his attitude needs to support the faith paid in him.

Cross was very much maligned by me early in the season, and I'm really happy to say he made me eat roast words Sunday evening on more than one occasion. He had a very consistent year, and once again demonstrated how a player should follow instructions and work within their talent parameters. He's not got long to make an impact on our club, as the game will pass him by this year, but it's good to have him around to set an example.

Tutt is the player I want to see ensure he puts a solid preseason together and get as fit and strong as he possibly can be. We talk about drafting good outside runners and kickers of the football, and in glimpses Tutt has shown he can provide these qualities. From his first game there was one kick that stuck in my mind. Going to the right of screen against Port he was on the near side wing running towards the same flank. At the last second he modified his kick to hit someone at CHF with precision and fooled everyone in the process. We don't have many players that can do that.

[Dry Rot]

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My take on the changes is that after a season, Macca has first made a stand on complete duds (no brainer) eg Moles and DJ and then made on a stand on players that appear to not buy in to his story eg Sherman. Good.

We didn't do any silly trades. Good.

He appears to be giving some players, that many of us here would delist, a chance to buy in and improve themselves eg Vez and Skinner. Ditto he is showing faith in our current rookies.

I think all of the above is pretty good. His next big test is whether he influences who we chose for our first 3 draft picks, and if so, who we chose.

[chef]

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Jones isn't under pressure next year, maybe the year after. Anyone who takes a grab like that is worth persisting with.

Another year like he just had he would be under a bit of pressure IMO. He needs more tricks than just taking the occasional grab.

[Bulldog Revolution]

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My take on the changes is that after a season, Macca has first made a stand on complete duds (no brainer) eg Moles and DJ and then made on a stand on players that appear to not buy in to his story eg Sherman. Good.

We didn't do any silly trades. Good.

He appears to be giving some players, that many of us here would delist, a chance to buy in and improve themselves eg Vez and Skinner. Ditto he is showing faith in our current rookies.

I think all of the above is pretty good. His next big test is whether he influences who we chose for our first 3 draft picks, and if so, who we chose.

Thats pretty similar to my take DR, but I think it was particularly impressive he was so decisive on DJ who is seemingly a very impressive person, and probably everything that Macca appreciates as a teammate/clubman etc.

With Vez and Skinner and others, it may be a case of what they do behind the scenes, and wanting to manage when players come out of contract.

My understanding was that National Draft picks had to receive 2 year deals - I wonder if that is still the case?

[Mantis]

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My take on the changes is that after a season, Macca has first made a stand on complete duds (no brainer) eg Moles and DJ and then made on a stand on players that appear to not buy in to his story eg Sherman. Good.

Didn't DJ retire?

Moles wasn't even given a game last year so how can the coach make this call?

[LongWait]

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Didn't DJ retire?

Moles wasn't even given a game last year so how can the coach make this call?

Would you have kept DJ and Moles on our list?

[Mantis]

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Would you have kept DJ and Moles on our list?

If DJ wanted to stay on I would have been happy for him to continue for one more year.

I would have liked Moles to be given a few games during 2012 to see how he performed under B-Mac's game plan, but seeing as though he didn't it was pretty clear that he was a goner.... I thought he showed signs in the past that he was capable of playing at AFL level, obviously B-Mac didn't.

[Hotdog60]

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Moles most likely thought his card was marked the day we got Macca.