Draft Day Talk

**LostDoggy** · 26-11-2012, 02:46 PM

Re: Draft Day Talk

Originally posted by mjp

Unsure but Ash Hansen is a ripping bloke - I am sure if asked he would have answered honestly...

That leaves it open

. A few ifs and buts here..But assuming you are implying Ash agrees with you, then if Ash backed Dayle (and as a development coach his job would in part be assessed on Dayle's development), I am starting to wonder if a punt on a possible top 5 talent with one of Dayle's coaches from last year who would be responsible for developing Dayle this year, may not be so bad (again assuming Ash agrees with your assessment).

May still be a bit to play out... maybe....??

**mjp** · 26-11-2012, 03:50 PM

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It has to be open because I haven't spoken to Ash. I am sure he has seen the best and worst of Dayle (and Murray Newman for that matter) in the past two years at the black ducks.

Ash wasn't a coach at Swans last year - he was the full-forward!

**Rocco Jones** · 26-11-2012, 04:41 PM

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Surely a team will rookie him. What's the wage for a rookie these days? $60-70k? Do you have to offer interstate rookies 2 years anymore? Even if you do, the investment becomes less than the $250k from taking them in the National Draft.

I know it's not quite as simple as this but rookie him. Send him to your reserves/state league club until he demonsrates desired attitude. If he slips sends him back. If he continues to stuff up/stuffs up big time, get rid of him. We don't have a rookie list spot at the moment but can elevate Austin and draft Garlett. Can't see us doing it considering our great attitude thing and fact no one else has gone for him anyway.

**Bornadog** · 27-11-2012, 05:02 AM

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MJP mentioned interviewing players and making the interview part of the decision to recruit or not. What a bloody joke the AFL has become when talent like Garlett can't make it to an AFL club.

Do AFL clubs really think that every 17 year old kid has the confidence and ability to do an interview like a pro-athlete. Surely, clubs must re-think their strategies.

**GVGjr** · 27-11-2012, 06:04 AM

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Originally posted by bornadog

MJP mentioned interviewing players and making the interview part of the decision to recruit or not. What a bloody joke the AFL has become when talent like Garlett can't make it to an AFL club.

Do AFL clubs really think that every 17 year old kid has the confidence and ability to do an interview like a pro-athlete. Surely, clubs must re-think their strategies.

I don't think it's as cut and dry as that. I'm sure clubs make plenty of allowances within the interview process and have no expectation that the youngsters have to interview like a professional. It becomes increasingly harder though when the player you are interviewing isn't switched on, paying or attention or is displaying some traits that may not be suitable to life as a professional sportsman.

I think all of the clubs wanted to draft him but he made it almost impossible for them to do so through a combination of a number of things outside of his interviewing skills.

The interview is just one part of the process and I don't believe it was just a poor interview that moved the clubs off him.

I still want us to have another look at him and especially to see if we can put together a level of support that could make it work.

**ledge** · 27-11-2012, 06:09 AM

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Originally posted by bornadog

MJP mentioned interviewing players and making the interview part of the decision to recruit or not. What a bloody joke the AFL has become when talent like Garlett can't make it to an AFL club.

Do AFL clubs really think that every 17 year old kid has the confidence and ability to do an interview like a pro-athlete. Surely, clubs must re-think their strategies.

Or Maybe the kid is just an out and out dickhead, if all clubs passed him
Up that tells me he is a problem not the teams.
You think clubs don't take into account age and the immaturity involved of course they do.
In the end the kid has to want to play it and be prepared to pull his weight proffessionally.
Just because you are a great junior player doesn't mean you want to actually play it as a proffession, maybe he is happy just hanging out with his mates and playing with them?
Your saying how stupid clubs are but to me it's plain and simple none of the clubs think he is up to the rigours and devotion of being an AFL player.

**Bornadog** · 27-11-2012, 06:39 AM

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Originally posted by ledge

Or Maybe the kid is just an out and out dickhead, if all clubs passed him
Up that tells me he is a problem not the teams.
You think clubs don't take into account age and the immaturity involved of course they do.
In the end the kid has to want to play it and be prepared to pull his weight proffessionally.
Just because you are a great junior player doesn't mean you want to actually play it as a proffession, maybe he is happy just hanging out with his mates and playing with them?
Your saying how stupid clubs are but to me it's plain and simple none of the clubs think he is up to the rigours and devotion of being an AFL player.

Have you read MJP's post?

**GVGjr** · 27-11-2012, 06:46 AM

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Originally posted by ledge

Your saying how stupid clubs are but to me it's plain and simple none of the clubs think he is up to the rigours and devotion of being an AFL player.

I understand where MJP and BAD are coming from and given the investment required I also understand why clubs were reluctant.

Perhaps a club could select him and work out something with Swan Districts to develop him further with the view of bringing into the AFL system the following year.

I think he is suffering more from being immature than necessarily being a bad kid.
Think back to when we were the same age and I bet a lot of us were still walking around and bumping into things.

**Ghost Dog** · 27-11-2012, 09:32 AM

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Originally posted by GVGjr

I don't think it's as cut and dry as that. I'm sure clubs make plenty of allowances within the interview process and have no expectation that the youngsters have to interview like a professional. It becomes increasingly harder though when the player you are interviewing isn't switched on, paying or attention or is displaying some traits that may not be suitable to life as a professional sportsman.

I think all of the clubs wanted to draft him but he made it almost impossible for them to do so through a combination of a number of things outside of his interviewing skills.

The interview is just one part of the process and I don't believe it was just a poor interview that moved the clubs off him.

I still want us to have another look at him and especially to see if we can put together a level of support that could make it work.

The revelation of there being a child very late in the piece was not held in high regard.
Clubs should have known about that a lot earlier.

**Doc26** · 27-11-2012, 09:41 AM

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Originally posted by Ghost Dog

The revelation of there being a child very late in the piece was not held in high regard.
Clubs should have known about that a lot earlier.

GD, I believe you're referring to Josh Simpson here, not Dayle Garlett.

The Dockers actually picked him.

**Ghost Dog** · 27-11-2012, 09:45 AM

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Cheers - was getting confused.

**Bulldog4life** · 27-11-2012, 11:04 AM

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If any player has discipline issues prior to being drafted I'm sure Clubs take into account whether that player can cope with the massively increased amount of discipline required to play AFL. This is not targeting Garlett but all players coming out of the junior ranks.

**LostDoggy** · 27-11-2012, 12:42 PM

Re: Draft Day Talk

Originally posted by ledge

Or Maybe the kid is just an out and out dickhead, if all clubs passed him
Up that tells me he is a problem not the teams.
You think clubs don't take into account age and the immaturity involved of course they do.
In the end the kid has to want to play it and be prepared to pull his weight proffessionally.
Just because you are a great junior player doesn't mean you want to actually play it as a proffession, maybe he is happy just hanging out with his mates and playing with them?
Your saying how stupid clubs are but to me it's plain and simple none of the clubs think he is up to the rigours and devotion of being an AFL player.

I'm with Ledge on this one.

Yes i realise people on the forum may know him personally, but that doesn't mean others aren't entilted to an opinion.

All 18 clubs passing on such a talent just doesn't sit right with me.

**G-Mo77** · 27-11-2012, 01:21 PM

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Originally posted by Jaytee

I'm with Ledge on this one.

Yes i realise people on the forum may know him personally, but that doesn't mean others aren't entilted to an opinion.

All 18 clubs passing on such a talent just doesn't sit right with me.

Don't let others in here tell you not to have an opinion.

I'm with you, 18 clubs evaluated him and passed him up. Something isn't right.

**Mantis** · 27-11-2012, 01:39 PM

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Originally posted by Jaytee

All 18 clubs passing on such a talent just doesn't sit right with me.

Originally posted by G-Mo77

I'm with you, 18 clubs evaluated him and passed him up. Something isn't right.

With the level of scrutiny coming from the various stakeholders within the game I just believe clubs aren't willing to take the risk on such a player in the ND.

Rightly or wrongly taking a 'troubled' player him in the rookie draft just seems the more 'normal' course of action.

The game is becoming more and more vanilla with every ticking second... Boring in fact.

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