Leg Breaks

[BornInDroopSt'54]

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I liked how Carlton after drafting Menzel were trying to explain how Troy's injuries didn't concern them because they were totally unrelated to his brothers.

They basically said Troy had a PCL and then LARS from collision injuries, and not the 2 ACL's his brother had where his knee just gave way.

Dress it up all you want his knees still gave way. 2 brothers with 4 knee related injuries is more than coincidence, it's a trend.

You'd have to guess they have a genetic predisposition to knee injuries. I hope he has a great career nonetheless but after he leaves Carlton.

[Ozza]

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Love reading Slim's expert analysis these days......our little Slim is all grown up!

[Ghost Dog]

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Will only have implications if he broke his growth plates, which i suggest the break would have been too high for that. To answer your question, it should but if blood supply is effected and remember he would of been bolted into place for six months then it may mean he is out of whack. That being said you would think that the fracture leg side may be longer as more bone would have been laid down during he healing process.

Males don't mature skeletally till they're 25, meaning his bone density will get better and stronger and yes he may still grow.

Thanks for the diagnosis Slim. Do you bulk bill by any chance?

[Go_Dogs]

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Great read, thanks a lot Slim.

[Greystache]

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Good stuff Slim, but I'm more interested in hearing your thoughts on corporate catering!

[boydogs]

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Great thread

Some facts about breaks- the bone will theretically be stronger if the break is well aligned and was adequately braced during the healing process then it was pre break. Stringer had rods in place which would have allowed for this, the bone will not look like it previously did but will be strong enough to hold up to the rigors of footy.

Without particularly highlighting it, you've made an important point. The strength of the heal of the bone is not the issue, it is the surrounding tissue and his mechanics. So it's all just a matter of time for him to get back to his best.

The recruiters at the combine made a medical judgment call on him they weren't qualified to make.

[SlimPickens]

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Great thread



Without particularly highlighting it, you've made an important point. The strength of the heal of the bone is not the issue, it is the surrounding tissue and his mechanics. So it's all just a matter of time for him to get back to his best.

The recruiters at the combine made a medical judgment call on him they weren't qualified to make.

Gary Zimmerman was there, he would have been all across it.

[Remi Moses]

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I liked how Carlton after drafting Menzel were trying to explain how Troy's injuries didn't concern them because they were totally unrelated to his brothers.

They basically said Troy had a PCL and then LARS from collision injuries, and not the 2 ACL's his brother had where his knee just gave way.

Dress it up all you want his knees still gave way. 2 brothers with 4 knee related injuries is more than coincidence, it's a trend.

Lee Walker at Collingwood was similar.

[boydogs]

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Gary Zimmerman was there, he would have been all across it.

Hence why we picked him up

You can see how it unfolded, recruiters watching them go around and writing him off in their minds as too big a risk as his running style is out of whack.

Recruiters described the 191cm goalkicker's running gait as "atrocious" in the 3km time-trial at last month's AFL draft combine.

Another said it was like he was running on "one leg".

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/afl/geelong-set-to-pounce-on-jake-stringer-if-his-complications-from-leg-break-are-behind-him/story-fn7shx05-1226516980560

Some other articles on Jake:

http://www.watoday.com.au/afl/afl-news/character-is-draft-buzz-word-20121122-29te1.html

http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/147459/default.aspx

http://www.weeklytimesnow.com.au/article/2011/04/20/321681_country-footy.html

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/stringer-finally-has-a-leg-to-stand-on-20121118-29k99.html

http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/150967/default.aspx

[Remi Moses]

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Gary Zimmerman was there, he would have been all across it.

Slim, are knee issues ( Menzel brothers) hereditary?

[SlimPickens]

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Slim, are knee issues ( Menzel brothers) hereditary?

Hard to say but the facts are that a Lars ligaments shelf life is approx 7 yrs, considering he had it at 16 you can do the maths.

As I've said the Stringer "risk" is no where near as high as the Menzal "risk"

[LostDoggy]

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A major concern with a major break/s in the lower leg is having different breaks for the Tibia and Fibula , a Spiral Fracture in one and Compound or Avulsion Fracture in the other

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spiral_fracture

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avulsion_fracture

( Compound Fracture of course is a traumatic bone shear where the bone comes through the skin )

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[stefoid]

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yeah, like Im going to clic on those links

(weak stomach)

[jazzadogs]

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If any of you wanted to read more about compound fractures/recovery, I would recommend Hoppenfeld & Murthy - Treatment & Rehabilitation of Fractures. Chapter 9 is all about compound fractures, accessible on Google Books. LINK

I used that through uni whenever I wanted info about fractures and found it helpful.

Brukner and Khan is a great sports medicine book for anyone interested in that area as well (couldn't find an online version of that though), doesn't have as much info about fractures but is basically the physiotherapist bible.

As far as his rehabilitation goes, the fact that he was able to get back to play some matches this year is a great sign for his recovery. That shows that his strength and mobility is at a reasonable level. I'd be confident that the issues with his gait can be fixed, but it's hard to definitively say without knowing exactly what the impairments are.

One of the most difficult things will be Stringer's anxiety about the leg. He said in one interview that he has started wearing a shin guard, which has helped, so hopefully he continues to use that with continued results. He doesn't seem like the sort of guy to shy away from a contest, so hopefully he pushes it at training and will become used to it and not fear contact to his shin/the fracture site anymore.

[BornInDroopSt'54]

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If any of you wanted to read more about compound fractures/recovery, I would recommend Hoppenfeld & Murthy - Treatment & Rehabilitation of Fractures. Chapter 9 is all about compound fractures, accessible on Google Books. LINK

I used that through uni whenever I wanted info about fractures and found it helpful.

Brukner and Khan is a great sports medicine book for anyone interested in that area as well (couldn't find an online version of that though), doesn't have as much info about fractures but is basically the physiotherapist bible.

As far as his rehabilitation goes, the fact that he was able to get back to play some matches this year is a great sign for his recovery. That shows that his strength and mobility is at a reasonable level. I'd be confident that the issues with his gait can be fixed, but it's hard to definitively say without knowing exactly what the impairments are.

One of the most difficult things will be Stringer's anxiety about the leg. He said in one interview that he has started wearing a shin guard, which has helped, so hopefully he continues to use that with continued results. He doesn't seem like the sort of guy to shy away from a contest, so hopefully he pushes it at training and will become used to it and not fear contact to his shin/the fracture site anymore.

Thanks Jazza, Yes that shin guard made him feel, he said, like before the break, with no fear of hurting it. Unfortunately these unconscious fears can be very powerful and restrict freedom so hopefully the shin guard allays any overprotectiveness.