Game Day - 2013 NAB Cup - Dogs vs Bombers/Pies

[AndrewP6]

Re: Game Day - 2013 NAB Cup - Dogs vs Bombers/Pies

I'd hate to think what you'd estimate if your expectations were high. 100?

I've kind of lost all my expectations of Jarrad anyway.

Me too, and that's a worry.

[Greystache]

Re: Game Day - 2013 NAB Cup - Dogs vs Bombers/Pies

Am new to this forum, but find the negativity towards developing players boring and depressing. It's basically a trial game, first hit out, getting a feel for the game and new faces and some people are talking about cutting the list already, not even round 1!!

It's hardly as if people are writing off players after one game. The players being questioned have been on the list for 4-6 years and have shown little in the way of consistency or in some case little at all.

[jeemak]

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I didn't get to see the second game against the Pies.

Firstly, Essendon are in a development stage where they should be looking to cement a spot through the season as a top six contender. They were never going to put in a bad performance tonight, especially having been beaten up to the extent they have been over the last couple of weeks. They are easily a three or four goal per standard half of football better side than we are.

Collingwood having come on a little fresher, being a more mature side and a side that is going to contend for top four once again were always going to make us look a bit average. As I said, I didn't see the second game, so I'll leave it at that.


The skill level concerned me, and the disorganised and crude approach to positioning also worried me throughout the first game.

Much like last year we're not developed enough from a skill perspective, a strength perspective or a smarts perspective. The sides we played against tonight were far more advanced in all of those areas, and from what I saw in the first game it showed.

The forward structure against Essendon was a joke, and I await further analysis from other woofers to help explain it to me, and tell me if things changed up against Collingwood.

We are a list still transitioning from being stable in 2008-2011 to having lost a number of key performers and it shows. It's going to be a very tough year, but I'll not get too upset by the performance in a silly competition format just yet. I'll see how we go in the second round.

[Eastdog]

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I didn't get to see the second game against the Pies.

Firstly, Essendon are in a development stage where they should be looking to cement a spot through the season as a top six contender. They were never going to put in a bad performance tonight, especially having been beaten up to the extent they have been over the last couple of weeks. They are easily a three or four goal per standard half of football better side than we are.

Collingwood having come on a little fresher, being a more mature side and a side that is going to contend for top four once again were always going to make us look a bit average. As I said, I didn't see the second game, so I'll leave it at that.


The skill level concerned me, and the disorganised and crude approach to positioning also worried me throughout the first game.

Much like last year we're not developed enough from a skill perspective, a strength perspective or a smarts perspective. The sides we played against tonight were far more advanced in all of those areas, and from what I saw in the first game it showed.

The forward structure against Essendon was a joke, and I await further analysis from other woofers to help explain it to me, and tell me if things changed up against Collingwood.

We are a list still transitioning from being stable in 2008-2011 to having lost a number of key performers and it shows. It's going to be a very tough year, but I'll not get too upset by the performance in a silly competition format just yet. I'll see how we go in the second round.

I stayed for all the matches jeemak with my brother who is a Collingwood supporter and at the start of the Collingwood match I thought we played well but towards the end faded. Out of the 2 matches we played the Pies match was a little better.

[jeemak]

Re: Game Day - 2013 NAB Cup - Dogs vs Bombers/Pies

I stayed for all the matches jeemak my brother who is a Collingwood supporter and at the start of the Collingwood match I thought we played well but towards the end faded. Out of the 2 matches we played the Pies match was a little better.

Thanks mate.

So do you think there were any positive signs to build on?

[Eastdog]

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Thanks mate.

So do you think there were any positive signs to build on?

It's a bit hard to make anything from two shorter games but yeah I think it's a long process for us until we come good and that's what most of our supporters would think. The next few games of the NAB Cup will give more of an indication but the real indicators will be at the start of the Home and Away season.

[GVGjr]

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I was disappointed with the way that we played particularly with our skills but I also understand that we have a lot of work to do on the list.

Some of the positives for me are:
- Cooney moving freely. He won't get back to his Brownlow best but he should have a greater impact than he has in a few years.
- Liberatore return was pretty good. Hopefully he focused on his football again
- The recruits in Young, Lower and Goodes will add some much needed depth to the list. Goodes looked lean and not out of place on the park.
- Giansiracusa is still in our best 22
- The return of Dale Morris is a positive step.
- Higgins looked as fit as I can recall.

The concerns are:
- Cordy still not looking like he can hold down a position as a forward rotating in the ruck.
- Grants body language and forward pressure
- A dysfunctional forward line
- Skill errors

The road ahead:
Add Roughead and Williams to the mix and we will look a better side.
Stick with the mature recruits of Lower, Goodes, Young and Stevens and see what they can add.
Lets have a good look at Roberts as a key defender or a key forward

Plenty of things to work on for the coaching team

[Ghost Dog]

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Sorry, I didn't see the game. What was the issue with Boyd?
Shanking it again?

[Maddog37]

Re: Game Day - 2013 NAB Cup - Dogs vs Bombers/Pies

oh dear

Top post.

[Hotdog60]

Re: Game Day - 2013 NAB Cup - Dogs vs Bombers/Pies

Sorry, I didn't see the game. What was the issue with Boyd?
Shanking it again?

Pretty much, Boyd of old.

I liked Smith, the guy is as tough as nails. How many times was he tackled and was able to stand in the tackle and dispose off the ball. If his kicking can improve and last night wasn't that bad he will be a gun.

I agree with GVGjr on the Senior new blokes and they will help to stabilize us to some extent.

I would also persevere with Campbell instead of Cordy, I think he would offer us more and last night had a bit of Huddo about him but maybe it's the beard.

[Cyberdoggie]

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I'm not reading too much into it because it's a practice match, but i was looking for changes on last year.

The big problem for us is we are continually trying to speed handball out of these contested packs but we keep handballing to stationary targets who end up under pressure.

Players need to have the balls to take the game on themselves and get their team mates to create space for them and then run and spread.

Our disposal is poor because of pressure and perceived pressure. Everyone is scared of getting caught with the ball so they dish it off as soon as they get it.

It was scary that a young kid like Macrae, and a first gamer in Goodes had far more composure than most of the side.

[Ghost Dog]

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I'll have to have a look at the game, but sounds like we are starting exactly where we left off in 2012.

I read Tom Campbell was ok. Doing well for a 21 year old.

[Mofra]

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The mature recruits all showed a bit, Goodes was solid, Lower was promising, and even Tom Young showed a bit. Hopefully Stevens can add something too.

He's the mature ager I was most happy about picking up, but Lower & Goodes look set for round 1 debuts. Will be interesting to see how Stevens plays in the next few weeks of the pre-season.

[The Underdog]

Re: Game Day - 2013 NAB Cup - Dogs vs Bombers/Pies

If last night showed me anything it's that Johanissen should be in our round 1 team. His run, carry and delivery is exactly what we need.
Liked Lower's game quite a lot, looks a solid AFL footballer who does the smart things.
Thought Cooney's game was a positive. Not dominant but moved freely and with pace.
Clay Smith attacks the footy like it killed his family, even more intense than last year.
Dale Morris' first tackle was glorious. He looked like Dale of old.

Itr was a depressing night for the familiarity of the way we turned the ball over but there are going to be things to enjoy this year.

[Ghost Dog]

Re: Game Day - 2013 NAB Cup - Dogs vs Bombers/Pies

It said in the paper that Goodes resisted an opportunity to bend down to scoop up the ball, Not sure who against. and it was a bad look. Anyone concur?