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  • The Underdog
    Bulldog Team of the Century
    • Aug 2007
    • 6854

    Re: Game Day - 2013 NAB Cup - Dogs vs Bombers/Pies

    Originally posted by Ghost Dog
    It said in the paper that Goodes resisted an opportunity to bend down to scoop up the ball, Not sure who against. and it was a bad look. Anyone concur?
    Tried to kick off the ground when he should have bent down to pick it up. Wrong decision at the time.
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    • The Bulldogs Bite
      Hall of Fame
      • Dec 2006
      • 11226

      Re: Game Day - 2013 NAB Cup - Dogs vs Bombers/Pies

      The severe lack of a forward set-up concerns me a lot.

      I think we all understand that not having the likes of a Barry Hall/Brad Johnson type to build around is difficult, but we should be able to see signs of structure. By that, I mean that when our midfield and half backs get their hands on the ball, we should be able to see a definitive style and plan that they are trying to implement. Last season, there was no evidence of this. Our mids/half backs bombed the ball aimlessly and we were constantly out-numbered. Last night was a carbon copy of 2012 in that regard, which was really disappointing. We didn't look like we knew what to do with the ball when we got it -- there was no process to follow, no plan that players were trying to carry out. It was as simple as get it on your boot and move it forward at all costs. Even if we did have Hall/Johnson/Franklin/Carey down there, their influence would be minimized because we're simply not giving our forwards a chance. I'll watch closely over the following weeks/months, but this for mine, is a coaching issue. It simply needs to improve. We don't have the personnel, but we can still have a system.

      Giansiracusa certainly did help a lot in regards to ball movement when he got on the field. Such a clever half forward, knows exactly where to lead, when, and how to use his body at the right times. This was a little more pleasing that we started to work the ball with more intelligence at times during the Collingwood game, although it faded. Picken was leading Fletcher to the ball every single solitary time in the first game, but every ball directed his way was at his feet or 10-15m to his left or right.

      Just on Cordy: I know he's had injuries and such, but he has few excuses this season. Nobody is saying he needs to dominate, but he should be able to start impacting contests and taking some marks. He has absolutely no presence on the field which, for a man of his height, is alarming. Many on this site don't rate Redpath, and although he did very little last night, he still had more of an impact than Cordy. Why? Because he attacked each contest with purpose. He split a few packs, showed some intensity and made a bone crunching tackle on O'Brien. Small signs and nothing that got me excited, but it emphasized to me that Cordy's intensity and presence is insipid -- you don't need a hundred games experience to show either of those qualities.
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      • F'scary
        WOOF Member
        • Dec 2011
        • 4089

        Re: Game Day - 2013 NAB Cup - Dogs vs Bombers/Pies

        I have a suggestion. Put the EJ statue in the goal square and make Cordy stand in the middle of the roundabout outside club.
        Officially on the Bus-wagon

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        • Greystache
          Bulldog Team of the Century
          • Dec 2009
          • 9775

          Re: Game Day - 2013 NAB Cup - Dogs vs Bombers/Pies

          Originally posted by The Bulldogs Bite
          Just on Cordy: I know he's had injuries and such, but he has few excuses this season. Nobody is saying he needs to dominate, but he should be able to start impacting contests and taking some marks. He has absolutely no presence on the field which, for a man of his height, is alarming. Many on this site don't rate Redpath, and although he did very little last night, he still had more of an impact than Cordy. Why? Because he attacked each contest with purpose. He split a few packs, showed some intensity and made a bone crunching tackle on O'Brien. Small signs and nothing that got me excited, but it emphasized to me that Cordy's intensity and presence is insipid -- you don't need a hundred games experience to show either of those qualities.
          That's the crux of the issue for me too. It's not that Cordy is making mistakes, dropping marks, getting outbodied, or leading to the wrong places, it's that he's not doing anything at all. One of the primary reasons we blindly bomb the ball high and long into the forward 50m is that the forwards are standing still in the goal square with no intention of moving. I've seen the Statue of Liberty move more on a windy day than Cordy would during the course of a game. Redpath realistically did nothing in his game time, but even still he looked vastly more capable of playing forward and offering something.

          People can say he's had injury problems that have slowed his progress, but it's not as if we're epecting him to dominate games, just show some sort of indication he can offer something. His output while playing seniors would be disapointing from a first year draftee, let alone a player going into his 5th year in the system. As I said Redpath had no impact but I thought he showed some promise, that's all I'm looking for and haven't seen any of that from Cordy.
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          • Throughandthrough
            Coaching Staff
            • Nov 2007
            • 3203

            Re: Game Day - 2013 NAB Cup - Dogs vs Bombers/Pies

            Originally posted by F'scary
            I have a suggestion. Put the EJ statue in the goal square and make Cordy stand in the middle of the roundabout outside club.
            Harsh, but very very funny.

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            • The Bulldogs Bite
              Hall of Fame
              • Dec 2006
              • 11226

              Re: Game Day - 2013 NAB Cup - Dogs vs Bombers/Pies

              Originally posted by F'scary
              I have a suggestion. Put the EJ statue in the goal square and make Cordy stand in the middle of the roundabout outside club.
              Literally laughed out aloud.

              Very amusing call F'scary!
              W00F!

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              • SonofScray
                Coaching Staff
                • Apr 2008
                • 4235

                Re: Game Day - 2013 NAB Cup - Dogs vs Bombers/Pies

                Originally posted by F'scary
                I have a suggestion. Put the EJ statue in the goal square and make Cordy stand in the middle of the roundabout outside club.
                That will go down as one of the all time great calls in FFC history. Made my night.
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                • GVGjr
                  Moderator
                  • Nov 2006
                  • 44573

                  Re: Game Day - 2013 NAB Cup - Dogs vs Bombers/Pies

                  What are the likeliness that the following players will be able to get a spot in the Round 1 side?

                  Johannisen
                  Lower
                  Young
                  Stevens
                  Goodes
                  Cordy
                  Howard
                  Tutt
                  Talia
                  Addison
                  Hrovat
                  Stinger
                  Macrae
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                  • Hotdog60
                    Bulldog Team of the Century
                    • Aug 2009
                    • 5887

                    Re: Game Day - 2013 NAB Cup - Dogs vs Bombers/Pies

                    Originally posted by GVGjr
                    What are the likeliness that the following players will be able to get a spot in the Round 1 side?

                    Johannisen
                    Lower
                    Young
                    Stevens
                    Goodes
                    Cordy
                    Howard
                    Tutt
                    Talia
                    Addison
                    Hrovat
                    Stinger
                    Macrae
                    I suppose we will have to wait and see over the next couple of weeks, but I think Goodes, Lower and Johannisen haven't done themselves any harm. I loved the tap on from Luke to JJ at one stage and showed some smart thinking. Pearce wasn't on your list, do you think he is behind the first gamers.
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                    • BornInDroopSt'54
                      Bulldog Team of the Century
                      • Jan 2009
                      • 5237

                      Re: Game Day - 2013 NAB Cup - Dogs vs Bombers/Pies

                      Originally posted by marcov
                      Not even a real practice match in a development year. Woe abounds, lets be realistic.
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                      • Bornadog
                        WOOF Clubhouse Leader
                        • Jan 2007
                        • 66573

                        Re: Game Day - 2013 NAB Cup - Dogs vs Bombers/Pies

                        Johannisen yes
                        Lower yes
                        Young no
                        Stevens maybe
                        Goodes possible
                        Cordy no
                        Howard maybe
                        Tutt maybe
                        Talia yes
                        Addison yes only because the coach likes him
                        Hrovat no
                        Stinger no
                        Macrae no


                        Note: Maybe equals less than 50% chance ie they need to show more over the next few weeks. Possible is higher than 50% chance - they are in a good position but must keep improving.

                        No is based on as at the now. Stringer may come in and show great signs, for example and get a game.
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                        • BornInDroopSt'54
                          Bulldog Team of the Century
                          • Jan 2009
                          • 5237

                          Re: Game Day - 2013 NAB Cup - Dogs vs Bombers/Pies

                          Cordy's missed mark and ditto with Grant were in stark contrast to the one grab pack marks I saw Grant take in training, and seemed to be as a result of hard hands. You know how it goes when playing golf in competition, you may tense up and lose the feel, that relaxed, soft hands provide and instead of a beautifully judged and struck bunker shot, you get a knife that airmails the green and threatens the life of those waiting to putt. Like a truth test or a Scientology E metre, that are tests of unconscious tension, the hard handed missed easy mark betrays the fear that incapacitates what would in a relaxed state, be simple. I suspect these guys need individual success. Nothing succeeds like success.
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                          • Go_Dogs
                            Hall of Fame
                            • Jan 2007
                            • 10135

                            Re: Game Day - 2013 NAB Cup - Dogs vs Bombers/Pies

                            At this stage I'd be backing the following in for Rd 1 with Cordy, Young and Stevens the other possibilities.

                            Johannisen
                            Lower
                            Goodes
                            Howard
                            Talia
                            Addison

                            Will be dependent on form over the next 4 weeks too because we have a lot of options which have merit. I guess at this stage I'm most confident about these guys.
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                            • Nuggety Back Pocket
                              WOOF Member
                              • Oct 2009
                              • 2064

                              Re: Game Day - 2013 NAB Cup - Dogs vs Bombers/Pies

                              Originally posted by GVGjr
                              What are the likeliness that the following players will be able to get a spot in the Round 1 side?

                              Johannisen
                              Lower
                              Young
                              Stevens
                              Goodes
                              Cordy
                              Howard
                              Tutt
                              Talia
                              Addison
                              Hrovat
                              Stinger
                              Macrae
                              I would like to think that Johannisen and Stringer would be the most likely to play.
                              Would like to see more of Goodes Lower and Stevens before suggesting they would be considered for the first game.

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                              • G-Mo77
                                Bulldog Team of the Century
                                • Apr 2007
                                • 9880

                                Re: Game Day - 2013 NAB Cup - Dogs vs Bombers/Pies

                                Originally posted by GVGjr
                                What are the likeliness that the following players will be able to get a spot in the Round 1 side?
                                All depends on what happens over the next few weeks. At this stage this who I think will be in the team or in line for selection. Addison and Goodes are locks for round 1 IMO.

                                Johannisen
                                Lower
                                Stevens
                                Goodes
                                Talia
                                Addison
                                Stinger
                                Hrovat

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