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  • Hotdog60
    Bulldog Team of the Century
    • Aug 2009
    • 5851

    Western Bulldogs left out in cold by VFL affiliate Williamstown




    WESTERN Bulldogs players will be forced to play VFL reserves under a selection policy enforced by affiliate Williamstown.



    Cartoon by David 'Macca' McArthur. Herald Sun

    The Seagulls will pick no more than 12 Bulldogs in any VFL match after the alignment soured last year, leading to an impending split.

    The deal gives Williamstown greater selection control. It has declared it will pick a minimum of 11 VFL-listed players as it prepares to become a stand-alone club next year.

    The policy is a temporary blow to the development of several prized Bulldogs youngsters.

    Last week No. 5 draft pick Jarrad Grant, father-son pick Lachie Hunter and exciting prospect Fletcher Roberts were among five AFL-listed players who were fit but had nowhere to play after the Seagulls overlooked them.

    With Dylan Addison, Easton Wood, Nathan Hrovat, Tom Williams and Matthew Boyd due back from injury in the next three weeks, that number is set to rise.

    Of the 44-listed Bulldogs players, 33 are guaranteed a senior match each week, with the rest forced into Williamstown's reserves.

    The Seagulls went on a recruiting spree in the off-season, headlined by AFL discards Justin Sherman, Cameron Wood, Brent Prismall and Leigh Williams, to reduce their dependence on Bulldogs-listed players.

    Seagulls general manager Brendan Curry said he believed the selection was a fair split and his club had a responsibility to develop Bulldog players.

    Curry will now meet with Dogs football manager James Fantasia each week to discuss which AFL players should be picked.

    "We’ll take certain requests on board, but it’s a Williamstown call. There’s consultation and we’ll take a common sense approach,’’ he said.

    Curry said the alignment had worked smoothly since last September.

    Dogs football manager James Fantasia agreed the clubs were working well and said there was "healthy" discussion around team selection.

    "We believe (Willy coach) Peter German does a great job in ensuring clubs’ priorities are met," he said.

    Next year the Bulldogs and Richmond will join Geelong, Collingwood and Essendon in fielding stand-alone reserves side in the VFL.

    DOGS LEFT OUT IN THE COLD LAST WEEK

    Jarrad Grant
    Lachie Hunter
    Fletcher Roberts
    Josh Prudden
    Alex Greenwood

    HOW THE SELECTION POLICY WORKS

    - When up to 15 Bulldogs are available for VFL duties, Williamstown will pick a maximum of 11
    - When 16 or more Bulldogs are available, Williamstown will pick a maximum of 12

    *THE Western Bulldogs are considering a name change for their new VFL team.

    A decision will be made during the season whether the VFL team will play under the club's original name Footscray.

    But president Peter Gordon said last night there were no plans for the club or its senior side to revert to Footscray.

    The club changed its name to the Western Bulldogs late in 1996.
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  • G-Mo77
    Bulldog Team of the Century
    • Apr 2007
    • 9873

    #2
    Re: Western Bulldogs left out in cold by VFL affiliate Williamstown

    I got told about what Willy planned on doing at the Richmond match a few weeks ago although was told it was less than 11. It was surprising really, especially if they cannot field their best side because of this rule they've enforced.

    They can say it's a smooth relationship but realisticly it's a disappointing result and end to our affiliation with Williamstown.

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    • Eastdog
      WOOF Communtiy Organiser
      • Feb 2012
      • 18235

      #3
      Re: Western Bulldogs left out in cold by VFL affiliate Williamstown

      It will be great when we get our own stand alone team clearly a direction clubs are going down now.

      My views on the team name:

      AFL Team: Footscray
      VFL Team: Footscray

      Or

      AFL Team: Western Bulldogs
      VFL Team: Western Bulldogs

      I believe it's best they are both the same name but as Peter said we won't be reverting the AFL team name back to Footscray.
      "Footscray people are incredible people; so humble. I'm just so happy - ecstatic"

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      • Bornadog
        WOOF Clubhouse Leader
        • Jan 2007
        • 66175

        #4
        Re: Western Bulldogs left out in cold by VFL affiliate Williamstown

        We need guys like Grant and Roberts to be playing senior football. This is really annoying.
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        • Hotdog60
          Bulldog Team of the Century
          • Aug 2009
          • 5851

          #5
          Re: Western Bulldogs left out in cold by VFL affiliate Williamstown

          Originally posted by bornadog
          We need guys like Grant and Roberts to be playing senior football. This is really annoying.
          You would think that our AFL listed players playing in the minors would dominate and would give you a false impression of their current form.

          Financial cost of running a stand alone side out of the equation, for the development of our younger players we need our reserve side up and running.
          Don't piss off old people
          The older we get the less "LIFE IN PRISON" is a deterrent...

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          • Sedat
            Hall of Fame
            • Sep 2007
            • 11144

            #6
            Re: Western Bulldogs left out in cold by VFL affiliate Williamstown

            It's a *!*!*!*!ed up, no need to sugarcoat the situation. Our fringe and youth players now will stagnate as their development will be severely compromised.
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            • Ozza
              Bulldog Team of the Century
              • Mar 2008
              • 6407

              #7
              Re: Western Bulldogs left out in cold by VFL affiliate Williamstown

              Sounds like a painful year ahead. I guess we just have to look forward to 2014 with the stand alone team - and hope not too much damage is done this year.

              Willy are kidding themselves not picking Jarrad Grant though. I know he's been disappointing at AFL level at times....but he kicked 3 goals in a quarter against the Geelong seniors last year!

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              • G-Mo77
                Bulldog Team of the Century
                • Apr 2007
                • 9873

                #8
                Re: Western Bulldogs left out in cold by VFL affiliate Williamstown

                Factor in how many players were made unavailable for Williamstown last season which will probably happen again this season, then there are injuries/general soreness/rest. Over the whole season I don't think there are going to be a huge number of players missing out. It will hurt if we have a clean bill of health but generally VFL affiliated sides have their VFL players who'd they'd play anyway.

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                • Mantis
                  Hall of Fame
                  • Apr 2007
                  • 15324

                  #9
                  Re: Western Bulldogs left out in cold by VFL affiliate Williamstown

                  Originally posted by G-Mo77
                  Factor in how many players were made unavailable for Williamstown last season which will probably happen again this season, then there are injuries/general soreness/rest. Over the whole season I don't think there are going to be a huge number of players missing out. It will hurt if we have a clean bill of health but generally VFL affiliated sides have their VFL players who'd they'd play anyway.
                  But a huge number (5) missed out last week which is way too many.. It's important that these players are playing at the highest level they can each and every week to mainitain (or gain) form & fitness, and even more so at the start of the season.

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                  • always right
                    WOOF Member
                    • Nov 2007
                    • 4189

                    #10
                    Re: Western Bulldogs left out in cold by VFL affiliate Williamstown

                    Really concerned with Grant languishing in the reserves. This will really test his mental strength in what is likely to be a career defining season for him.
                    I thought I was wrong once but I was mistaken.

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                    • G-Mo77
                      Bulldog Team of the Century
                      • Apr 2007
                      • 9873

                      #11
                      Re: Western Bulldogs left out in cold by VFL affiliate Williamstown

                      Originally posted by Mantis
                      But a huge number (5) missed out last week which is way too many.. It's important that these players are playing at the highest level they can each and every week to mainitain (or gain) form & fitness, and even more so at the start of the season.
                      Which is why it's great we will have a VFL side next season and can dictate who plays and where they play. I'm not disagreeing at all, if it were up to me I'd play every WB listed player at VFL senior level but it's not our team.

                      I'd be interested to know how many players played VFL reserves last season each week. I always noticed a few names in there but never really thought much of it. At a guess I'm thinking 2- 3 players but that's a wild stab in the dark.

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                      • Bulldog Joe
                        Premiership Moderator
                        • Jul 2009
                        • 5511

                        #12
                        Re: Western Bulldogs left out in cold by VFL affiliate Williamstown

                        Originally posted by always right
                        Really concerned with Grant languishing in the reserves. This will really test his mental strength in what is likely to be a career defining season for him.
                        Amazing that Redpath was selected ahead of Grant. I know they are different players but surely the Dogs want Grant, and for that matter Roberts, playing ahead of a rookie listed player.
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                        • Bulldog4life
                          WOOF Member
                          • Oct 2007
                          • 9607

                          #13
                          Re: Western Bulldogs left out in cold by VFL affiliate Williamstown

                          Originally posted by Eastdog
                          It will be great when we get our own stand alone team clearly a direction clubs are going down now.

                          My views on the team name:

                          AFL Team: Footscray
                          VFL Team: Footscray

                          Or

                          AFL Team: Western Bulldogs
                          VFL Team: Western Bulldogs

                          I believe it's best they are both the same name but as Peter said we won't be reverting the AFL team name back to Footscray.
                          He said their are no plans to call the VFL team Footscray. Doesn't mean there won't be plans in the future though.

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                          • Mantis
                            Hall of Fame
                            • Apr 2007
                            • 15324

                            #14
                            Re: Western Bulldogs left out in cold by VFL affiliate Williamstown

                            Originally posted by Bulldog Joe
                            Amazing that Redpath was selected ahead of Grant. I know they are different players but surely the Dogs want Grant, and for that matter Roberts, playing ahead of a rookie listed player.
                            Knowing this I'm surprised that Stringer was also picked ahead of Grant too... Shows where Grant is in the pecking order.

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                            • F'scary
                              WOOF Member
                              • Dec 2011
                              • 4089

                              #15
                              Re: Western Bulldogs left out in cold by VFL affiliate Williamstown

                              I am content that our AFL team is called the Western Bulldogs.

                              I would love the VFL team to be called Footscray Bulldogs and play home matches at the Whitten Oval.

                              I can't see any problem with this.
                              Officially on the Bus-wagon

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