Three Things I've Learned - Round 6 Edition

[Ozza]

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The disposal efficiency stat is nonsense. All long kicks are counted as efficient. If more than 30% of Boyd's kicks went to a team mate - or put someone in a better position than he was - then I was watching a different game.

Three things I learned....

1. At his age and experience - Liam Jones has an enormous task to be our sole key forward. Particularly with the way the ball is shovelled in his general direction. Tutt is the only player who kicked a ball to Jones' clear advantage today - to take 9 marks was an extraordinary effort.

2. We still have no idea how to play Subiaco - and have no semblance of structure when we play there.

3. Howard continues to confirm for us that he was a poor 1st round choice. Not sure he got close enough to the ball to even get on camera for the 2nd and 3rd quarters.

[Mofra]

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Will Minson is an absolute Lionheart, very brave performance one out against 3 rotating opponents.

Just quoting this because it deserves to be - I have a massive respect for ruckmen and Will is holding our midfield together.

Watch him closely set-up - he uses his body to create space very well, his non-stat work is as good as his hit-out efforts.

[LostDoggy]

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1. Will Minson deserves a medal for the way he went up against three ruckmen single-handedly (don't give me Austin as a resting ruck)

2. Coaching to win the ball from stoppages by outnumbering comes up against a brick wall when you don't win the ball and it spills to outlying opposition. It also falls down if you do win and the targets are reduced due to the numbers being a metre away from you.

3. Football is a business and the club is bigger than the individual(s)

[kruder]

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But struggle with counting
"Three things I've learned"

No not a joke at all.

[kruder]

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No not a joke at all.

Ha! Your right didn't pick that one up!

[Remi Moses]

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1. I hate the red jumper ... It's even worse live !!
2. I hate everything about the Wet Toast Weasels ... Their supporters mainly
3. When Liam Jones gets some bulk he is going to be unstoppable

(Did I mention I hate the Eagles)

They're the classic cardboard cut out fans.
The type that does a wave through the game.

[Ozza]

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For those who went to the game, did the Eagles supporters boo the umpires off?
They usually do (Freo do as well)....even though they get a brilliant run for the umpires at every home game (yesterday 24-11)...they still boo them off.

[Greystache]

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The disposal efficiency stat is nonsense. All long kicks are counted as efficient. If more than 30% of Boyd's kicks went to a team mate - or put someone in a better position than he was - then I was watching a different game.

That's the key to the issue for me, even when Boyd has an effective possession from a statistics point of view (ie reaches a team mate) How often does he put a team mate in a better position than he was? Very rarely would be my answer. His touches just transfer, or in many cases, create pressure for a team mate, and with our current team that invariably means putting an inexperienced player under pressure. Boyd's possessions show a compete lack of respect for his team mates to me.

[LostDoggy]

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That's the key to the issue for me, even when Boyd has an effective possession from a statistics point of view (ie reaches a team mate) How often does he put a team mate in a better position than he was? Very rarely would be my answer. His touches just transfer, or in many cases, create pressure for a team mate, and with our current team that invariably means putting an inexperienced player under pressure. Boyd's possessions show a compete lack of respect for his team mates to me.

Have to agree with this. Boyd's possessions just don't hurt at all. I really think if Boyd wasn't captain, I'd have him out of the side. Sad to say this because I love Boydy but just compounds the problem we have with inability to spread and create run.

[Ozza]

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That's the key to the issue for me, even when Boyd has an effective possession from a statistics point of view (ie reaches a team mate) How often does he put a team mate in a better position than he was? Very rarely would be my answer. His touches just transfer, or in many cases, create pressure for a team mate, and with our current team that invariably means putting an inexperienced player under pressure. Boyd's possessions show a compete lack of respect for his team mates to me.

I guess it shows how stats lie, very often in footy.

Like when Cross got the footy in one of our best lead up pieces of play, 60 out and went inside 50 to Clay Smith, overhead, with a short kick. It was a disaster of a kick - and the Eagles took it down the other end and goaled.

Thats not a turnover, statistically, but after a good couple of minutes of pressure - we not only missed a scoring chance, but it released the valve as far as the pressure we actually had on West Coast (however brief) for that period.

[Bornadog]

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That's the key to the issue for me, even when Boyd has an effective possession from a statistics point of view (ie reaches a team mate) How often does he put a team mate in a better position than he was? Very rarely would be my answer. His touches just transfer, or in many cases, create pressure for a team mate, and with our current team that invariably means putting an inexperienced player under pressure. Boyd's possessions show a compete lack of respect for his team mates to me.

The trouble is most supporters focus on the mistakes and not the good things and it all becomes a perception of what happened.

[Sedat]

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I guess it shows how stats lie, very often in footy.

Like when Cross got the footy in one of our best lead up pieces of play, 60 out and went inside 50 to Clay Smith, overhead, with a short kick. It was a disaster of a kick - and the Eagles took it down the other end and goaled.

Thats not a turnover, statistically, but after a good couple of minutes of pressure - we not only missed a scoring chance, but it released the valve as far as the pressure we actually had on West Coast (however brief) for that period.

Apart from the expansion teams, we would concede the highest number of scores/goals from turnovers in the competition. We are frighteningly bad the spread.

[I'm Not Bitter Anymore!]

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Ditto for me

And me. And our forward line needs another tall - we got killed for height and Will needs a chop out.

[LostDoggy]

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1. Love how our players all want to attack the ball when it's in dispute. Only issue is, if we don't get it, the opposition get it out fairly easily.

2. We started to do what we did last year a lot. And that's just boot it as far forward as we can, with no idea who we are kicking it to or if we even have any players who can make a contest.

3. We need to get a few wins under our belt (hopefully we don't lose to Melb, GC or GWS and we can beat someone above us)

[Hotdog60]

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1. As brilliant as Jones marking was did it cause us to bomb it recklessly into our 50.

2. We fail to take the game on for a fear of turning it over, we always move the ball slowly and out to the flanks and fail to see players 30 meters in the clear down the middle.

3. Addison has found his place in the team.