One third of the season down - who is on borrowed time?

[bulldogtragic]

Usually I'd say there is two thirds of the season so calling for heads is premature, but one third down, I think we can identify a few who are not performing and are on borrowed time. So lets debate who is clogging the list or past their prime.

I'll start by saying the cut needs to be very deep!!!

Question marks should be over Vez, Tutt, Howard, Addison, Markovic, Austin, Cross, Boyd, Gia. If this is right, makes you wonder about our list management at the end of last year??

Are there others, or have I pulled the trigger on a few too early??

[boydogs]

Re: One third of the season down - who is on borrowed time?

Why we persist with Austin I don't know, he hasn't showed any glimpse of why we think he can make it. I would like to hear from the coaching staff on this, do they think he is ahead of Grant? That Talia/Roberts/Williams aren't ready? He isn't a similar type of player to Higgins who he was elevated for, I just don't get it.

Vesz showed something at VFL level, Tutt has shown glimpses over the last couple of weeks despite not getting near it today, but Austin gives us nothing. I know you need the mature age triers in a developing side to be competitive, but he is not helping us do that.

[AndrewP6]

Re: One third of the season down - who is on borrowed time?

Why we persist with Austin I don't know, he hasn't showed any glimpse of why we think he can make it. I would like to hear from the coaching staff on this, do they think he is ahead of Grant? That Talia/Roberts/Williams aren't ready? He isn't a similar type of player to Higgins who he was elevated for, I just don't get it.

Vesz showed something at VFL level, Tutt has shown glimpses over the last couple of weeks despite not getting near it today, but Austin gives us nothing. I know you need the mature age triers in a developing side to be competitive, but he is not helping us do that.

Talia and Williams are both injured, so they can't help for the time being.

[DOG GOD]

Re: One third of the season down - who is on borrowed time?

Howard definately...another first round wasted pick

[GVGjr]

Re: One third of the season down - who is on borrowed time?

Why we persist with Austin I don't know, he hasn't showed any glimpse of why we think he can make it.

He's a rookie and has come in because of the injuries to Williams, Talia and Roberts.
I still think he's the type of player we want on the rookie list.

[GVGjr]

Re: One third of the season down - who is on borrowed time?

Question marks should be over Vez, Tutt, Howard, Addison, Markovic, Austin, Cross, Boyd, Gia. If this is right, makes you wonder about our list management at the end of last year??

It's hard to make the call now but I'd be happy to take Boyd, Addison and Markovic off that list although the last two aren't safe.
If you are adding rookies like you have with Austin then Redpath, Greenwood and maybe even Jong would be considerations. I'd prefer to keep Jong though.

At the moment I'd have the following senior listed players under the microscope

Retirees - Giansiracusa and Cross
Veszpremi, Grant, Wood, Pearce, Howard, Tutt and Campbell

The next in line would be Markovic, Cordy and Addison

[LostDoggy]

Re: One third of the season down - who is on borrowed time?

It's hard to make the call now but I'd be happy to take Boyd, Addison and Markovic off that list although the last two aren't safe.
If you are adding rookies like you have with Austin then Redpath, Greenwood and maybe even Jong would be considerations. I'd prefer to keep Jong though.

At the moment I'd have the following senior listed players under the microscope

Retirees - Giansiracusa and Cross
Veszpremi, Grant, Wood, Pearce, Howard, Tutt and Campbell

The next in line would be Markovic, Cordy and Addison

Markovic and Addison showed last night that there best can be afl standard. Having said that Markovic has to own the second ruck / forward pinch hit as he is not a good enough defender. In past Wood has also shown he can break lines and be an influential player. He will get better with maturity and experience. I don't think we'll be short of opportunities to turn the list over at the end of the year. I still think we are 6-8 quality players short of being competitive for a full season.

[Mantis]

Re: One third of the season down - who is on borrowed time?

The next in line would be Markovic, Cordy and Addison

Wasn't Cordy given a 3 year deal last year?

I don't disagree with your thoughts, but I can't see us breaking this contract.

[GVGjr]

Re: One third of the season down - who is on borrowed time?

Wasn't Cordy given a 3 year deal last year?

I don't disagree with your thoughts, but I can't see us breaking this contract.

That's why I had him in the 'other' group. He will still be with us unless we are prepared to bite the bullet. If we move on Campbell like I have already suggested then we have to keep Cordy.

[Go_Dogs]

Re: One third of the season down - who is on borrowed time?

For mine:-

Retired: Giansiracusa, Cross (think it'll be time)
Delisted: Howard, Veszpremi, Grant (just haven't been able to deliver)
Re-rookie: Campbell (no need for him to be on the senior list at the moment)

Others:
Tutt - I think gets another year because he has pace. He was terrible against North but has shown a few (albeit small) signs so far this year. His form for the balance of the year to determine.

Wood - I still think Wood is worth persisting with, but his injury troubles and inability to string together consistent performances at AFL level is becoming a real concern. I don't think we can persist with him as a defender and think he either needs to become a midfielder or a medium marking forward.

Pearce - Bit surprised to see you nominate him GVGjr, think he's very much in our plans moving forwards, although he'd want to be cementing his spot in the senior side towards the end of the year.

Rookies: Austin and Redpath seem gone, Greenwood due to injury has a bit more time but he'd want to be a consistent performer in the VFL seniors by years end or he's at risk. Jong I think we can persist with for another year on the rookie list.

That's 6 changes to the senior list, which I think is probably enough this year, which would mean a similar turnover to the list at the end of 2014 too.

[azabob]

Re: One third of the season down - who is on borrowed time?

I thought Campbell was upgraded to the senior list at the end of last year?

[Throughandthrough]

Re: One third of the season down - who is on borrowed time?

Be quicker to start a thread who isn't on borrowed time

Definite keepers for mine

Griffin
Minson
Murphy
Dahlhaus
Boyd
Libba
Wallis
Morris
Pickens
Jones

Everyone else available for trade or delisting

Ps yes this is a rant rage , and irrational

[GVGjr]

Re: One third of the season down - who is on borrowed time?

Pearce - Bit surprised to see you nominate him GVGjr, think he's very much in our plans moving forwards, although he'd want to be cementing his spot in the senior side towards the end of the year.

I really don't mind him as a player but as a defender he just doesn't have the dash of a Johannisen, the kicking skills of Goodes or the physical nature of Easton Wood who he would probably compete with for a position in the back 6.

We need to add some creativity to the back line and I'm not sure that Pearce provides that for us. I'd be very pleased if he did though.

[Go_Dogs]

Re: One third of the season down - who is on borrowed time?

I thought Campbell was upgraded to the senior list at the end of last year?

He was - I meant to remove him from the senior list and put him back on the rookie list - sorry for any confusion.

[GVGjr]

Re: One third of the season down - who is on borrowed time?

I thought Campbell was upgraded to the senior list at the end of last year?

I think the coach rates him but for me he just doesn't have the mobility. If that improves then great. The fact that he might have another 12 months on a contract might be a consideration but if we can find someone else then I'd consider that.