Cameron Ling - Bulldogs building to a flag

[Ghost Dog]

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Former Geelong player backs former Geelong (assistant) coach... Hold the press!!

Rangers of a feather stick together ( and I'm a ranger too )

[Ghost Dog]

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Dermots take on the dogs listen here at 3.30 mark

Keeps talking about Brisbane last week V Dogs. What's he smoking? Too many knocks in the head.

[MrMahatma]

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I'm sick of hearing this being pointed to as a positive indication of development. If you overcrowd every contest then of course you are going to win the contested ball.

If you don't have it, you can't score. And at least our guys are getting to contests.

At the moment, how you view it really depends in if you're a glass half-full or empty kind of fan.

[Go_Dogs]

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I'm sick of hearing this being pointed to as a positive indication of development. If you overcrowd every contest then of course you are going to win the contested ball.

Don't disagree, but I think with some subtle changes this aspect and the spread can work together well. The cornerstone is that every player on the list will be backed in to put their head over the ball and win the contested situation. This will stand up in finals.

Getting a better balance, where players can instinctively know, (for example) Libba will beat his man in this contest so Griff can sneak 5m clear to receive is where the improvement lies. At the moment the balance isn't quite right. Once it is, I don't expect it will have too much influence on our contested ball numbers.

[Happy Days]

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Don't disagree, but I think with some subtle changes this aspect and the spread can work together well. The cornerstone is that every player on the list will be backed in to put their head over the ball and win the contested situation. This will stand up in finals.

Getting a better balance, where players can instinctively know, (for example) Libba will beat his man in this contest so Griff can sneak 5m clear to receive is where the improvement lies. At the moment the balance isn't quite right. Once it is, I don't expect it will have too much influence on our contested ball numbers.

Are you worried that our younger players will get too complacent with always having numbers at stoppages, and once the numbers are stripped back/spread is improved that the contested ball numbers will dip?

Has the potential to be a vicious cycle.

[GVGjr]

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Former Geelong player backs former Geelong (assistant) coach... Hold the press!!

So you think what he has said is compromised because of his association with McCartney?

I'm just not sure what the upside is for him to do it unless he actually believed it.

[LostDoggy]

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So you think what he has said is compromised because of his association with McCartney?

I think so, and it's not just Ling
Not sure of what went on when Mac was at Geelong. But it is starting to get frustrating listening to every person associated with Geelong blow wind up B Macs bum.
The funny thing too is I agree with them.

[The Doctor]

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So you think what he has said is compromised because of his association with McCartney?

I'm just not sure what the upside is for him to do it unless he actually believed it.

I am led to believe Ling was offered a coaching role at the dogs by Macca but declined (for now) to try out in the media. Who knows where the future lies for him??

[Mantis]

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So you think what he has said is compromised because of his association with McCartney?

The 'man-love' Lingy shows towards McCartney when in his role as a boundary rider is almost cringe-worthy.

[LostDoggy]

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Former Geelong player backs former Geelong (assistant) coach... Hold the press!!

Seasoned (and perhaps a wee bit jaded?) WOOF poster rejects a favourable assessment of McCartney purely due to past association rather than addressing the actual points raised… Hold the press!

[lemmon]

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The 'man-love' Lingy shows towards McCartney when in his role as a boundary rider is almost cringe-worthy.

And towards most people even remotely involved with Geelong. Harley's the same

[westdog54]

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Seasoned (and perhaps a wee bit jaded?) WOOF poster rejects a favourable assessment of McCartney purely due to past association rather than addressing the actual points raised… Hold the press!

Touche.

[jeemak]

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Are you worried that our younger players will get too complacent with always having numbers at stoppages, and once the numbers are stripped back/spread is improved that the contested ball numbers will dip?

Has the potential to be a vicious cycle.

You'd think if we're smart enough to know that it's an incomplete game style those at the club and associated with the club and its players would know it as well.

Good teams understand the specific roles each player within them are to play. If I was building a side the first non-negotiable would be that every single player on the list fights tooth and nail to win it in the first place. Some players are going to consistently win contests, while others will need assistance from team mates to do so, and should expect help from their team mates who understand that.

As systems for ball movement, defending and overall positioning evolve the playing group should become adaptable to individual circumstances within the parameters of the overall plan.

This will be learned throughout games, but a few preseasons need to be worked through to refine it.

I have absolutely no doubt that if the players are taught correctly, the continuation of flooding contests in a one-dimensional fashion won't be something we'll have to worry about.

[LostDoggy]

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Cameron Ling has captained a premiership side. He is a credible and reliable commentator, and a coach in waiting should he decide to go that way. He knows his footy and has a lot to lose by making rash statements. Those who take issue with his opinion on our potential do so at their peril. I back him over anybody on this board.

It's refreshing to hear something positive about us and our journey. And encouraging that many here get it.

However, it's disappointing to realise that there are so many people who identify with the Bulldogs who will take any opportunity to argue against us and the path we are taking, and in doing so declare that they know more about what it takes to win a premiership than Lingy does. [To all those... Finey's on till 12, I'm sure he would take your call and agree with you ]

Get on board, everybody! Open your eyes to the possibility that Ling and others, like Chris Grant, are right and you're not. Enjoy the ride as our youngsters grow, harden and learn what it takes to win a flag.

MrMahatma, I am definitely in the half full club and look forward to a growing wave of optimism as the work we're doing now bears fruit in the next couple of years and all the half empties start to move towards the light.

[Doc26]

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2010 we got blessed somewhat with the F/S picks of Libba and Mitch. We got Dalhaus in the rookie draft.
2011 we got Michael Talia, Clay Smith, Fletcher Roberts, Pearce and Dickson.
2012 we've picked up Stringer, Macrae, Stevens, Young, along with Hunter, Hrovat and Prudden.
2013 we're going to get at least another two picks inside the first round, maybe a priority pick also.

Ok. I must be missing something MRM and have to ask as the suspense is killing me. How are we getting at least another two picks inside the first round and maybe a priority to go with it with it in 2013 ?