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  • GVGjr
    Moderator
    • Nov 2006
    • 45540

    #1

    Dan Lonergan's view

    http://abc.net.au/news/2013-07-02/dark-days-getting-brighter-for-the-demons/4794922?section=sport

    It might be a big call, but Melbourne’s immediate future looks better than the Western Bulldogs', even after the Demons fell over the line on Saturday night, beating the Bulldogs by three points after leading by 44 midway through the final term.

    Melbourne has not yet learned how to stop a team getting a run on like the Dogs did on the weekend where they kicked seven unanswered goals in a hurry.

    The Demons have been thrashed so often in recent seasons and have hardly been competitive in recent times that what they were confronted with late in that last quarter against the Dogs was foreign to them.

    The fact that they managed to hang on over the last 90 seconds was a great sign and shows that in less than two weeks the interim Coach, Neil Craig, has put together some ideas and structure which are starting to work.

    Defensively except for that blitzkrieg by the Bulldogs in the last 15 minutes, Melbourne was very solid on Saturday.

    They made it hard for the Dogs to clear the Demons’ forward 50 with efficiency by setting up a huddle at their kick ins and then a wall further up the ground.

    Bulldogs coach Brendan McCartney had no answers to those plans and with the exception of Ryan Griffen and Robert Murphy, his players lacked the kicking skills to break that wall down.

    McCartney believed his players were poor defensively and they certainly leaked too many goals against a team that has struggled to score for most of the season.

    However Melbourne had some method in attack, and the Dees also had an excellent structure with talls, Chris Dawes, Jack Fitzpatrick and the much maligned Jack Watts supported by the high flying Jeremy Howe.

    They actually looked threatening and with the defence more settled than usual – with three talls in James Frawley, Colin Garland and Tom McDonald - there is a bit to work with at Melbourne.

    Neil Craig showed at Adelaide that he could put a decent structure and game plan in place and with Mitch Clark still to return and young tall forward Jesse Hogan ready to make an impact next season, the Demons’ immediate future may be rosier than most of us thought when Mark Neeld was in charge.

    It has been well documented that Neeld just could not cut it as a senior coach. Craig may not take on the position full time, but he has the chance to continue putting building blocks in place to nurture hope for this beleaguered footy club.

    They need both inside hard nuts and outside runners in midfield, but they are easier to find than quality key position players, which as mentioned the Demons have plenty of at both ends.
    Dog days for the boys from the west

    The Dogs on the other hand are in a world of pain. Without those experienced players led superbly once again by Griffen, they would have been utterly embarrassed.

    The first three quarters were horrendous and just about the worst I have seen the Dogs play.

    They were listless and even though Melbourne scored too easily, they had a defensive mindset and allowed the Demons too many uncontested possessions.

    McCartney is all about winning contested footy and being defensive, but you have to have a method to score and outside run and winning uncontested football is an important part of that.

    His game plan at the moment does not stack up.

    The Dogs have more holes in their list than Melbourne. They need quality key defenders, with Jordan Roughead for mine better suited up forward.

    They have midfielders, but too many of the same type. They need pace, which was one of their strengths when they made the top four three years in a row between 2008 and 2010.

    The biggest area of concern continues to be the forward line, which was dreadful against Melbourne. Daniel Giansiracusa was the only spark and he is in his final season.

    Liam Jones has played 50 games as a centre half forward but he appears to have gone backwards this year, while Ayce Cordy is on the way to being another failed first round draft pick.

    A succession of shoulder injuries has not helped him, but there’s a lack of intensity, no second effort and virtually no physical presence in his game.

    At this stage none of the Dogs’ first round selections from 2007 to 2011 – Jared Grant (pick five, 2007), Christian Howard (pick 15, 2009), Mitch Wallis (father-son, 2010) and Clay Smith (pick 14, 2011) – have worked.

    You can also say that some of Melbourne’s early draft picks have not succeeded either, but I do not think the Demons have had proper coaching or development structures in place since 2006, which has put them behind the eight ball.

    It was just one win on the weekend for Melbourne, but the Demons now seem to have a plan.

    For the Bulldogs, the jury is still out, but they might land an uncomfortable verdict, if GWS beat the Dogs in Canberra this week.
    Western Bulldogs Football Club "Where it's cool to drool"
  • LostDoggy
    WOOF Member
    • Jan 2007
    • 8307

    #2
    Re: Dan Lonergan's view

    Wonder what Dans thoughts were before Saturday night about whos list was better. Talk about jump on the bandwagon
    Do you want to back the Demons at $2 in the last game Dan?

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    • bulldogtragic
      The List Manager
      • Jan 2007
      • 34289

      #3
      Re: Dan Lonergan's view

      Can't argue with Dan. Fair assessment IMO.
      Rocket Science: the epitaph for the Beveridge era - whenever it ends - reading 'Here lies a team that could beat anyone on its day, but seldom did when it mattered most'. 15/7/2023

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      • Sedat
        Hall of Fame
        • Sep 2007
        • 11602

        #4
        Re: Dan Lonergan's view

        Originally posted by hughy31
        Wonder what Dans thoughts were before Saturday night about whos list was better. Talk about jump on the bandwagon
        Do you want to back the Demons at $2 in the last game Dan?
        Dan has actually been the fiercest critic of BMac in the media almost since day 1.
        "Look at me mate. Look at me. I'm flyin'"

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        • jeemak
          Bulldog Legend
          • Oct 2010
          • 22150

          #5
          Re: Dan Lonergan's view

          Pretty bleak.

          I don't really pay much attention to this type of comparison. Of course Melbourne should be in a better place than us with their rebuild, they've been at it since 2007!

          We've been at it since 2012.


          I know you're upset Dan, but a little balance and mention that one club's been at it for five years while the other has been at it less than two wouldn't go astray.
          TF is this?.........Obviously you're not a golfer.

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          • Scorlibo
            Coaching Staff
            • Oct 2007
            • 3097

            #6
            Re: Dan Lonergan's view

            There's nothing new here, except for us being a quick team between 2008 and 2010 (who knew?)

            He's probably gone a bit too far with his critique given he's labelled both Wallis and Smith as failures, I'd be surprised if either of those guys didn't have long careers, though I can see where he's coming from if he means they haven't worked in the context of our side.
            'And the Western suburbs erupt!'

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            • Bornadog
              WOOF Clubhouse Leader
              • Jan 2007
              • 67691

              #7
              Re: Dan Lonergan's view

              Originally posted by Sedat
              Dan has actually been the fiercest critic of BMac in the media almost since day 1.
              Yeah he needs to get over it, Rocket is gone.
              FFC: Established 1883

              Premierships: AFL 1954, 2016 VFA - 1898,99,1900, 1908, 1913, 1919-20, 1923-24, VFL: 2014, 2016 . Champions of Victoria 1924. AFLW - 2018.

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              • Scraggers
                Premiership Moderator
                • Jun 2008
                • 3585

                #8
                Re: Dan Lonergan's view

                He's a Bulldog supporter isn't he?

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                • Remi Moses
                  WOOF Member
                  • Jan 2009
                  • 14785

                  #9
                  Re: Dan Lonergan's view

                  Melbourne structure wise are ahead of us , no doubt.
                  I take umbrage at other aspects if the lists though in comparison.
                  Melbournes midfield is paper thin at the moment

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                  • Dry Rot
                    Bulldog Team of the Century
                    • Jan 2007
                    • 6471

                    #10
                    Re: Dan Lonergan's view

                    Originally posted by bulldogtragic
                    Can't argue with Dan. Fair assessment IMO.
                    Agreed. We have close to, if not the worst list in the comp.
                    The fight is here; I need ammunition, not a ride.

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                    • lemmon
                      Bulldog Team of the Century
                      • Nov 2008
                      • 6596

                      #11
                      Re: Dan Lonergan's view

                      Its an easy article to write

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                      • Remi Moses
                        WOOF Member
                        • Jan 2009
                        • 14785

                        #12
                        Re: Dan Lonergan's view

                        They recruited for a spike up the ladder.
                        It's been an epic failure !
                        They have a rare moment in the sunshine and we've now got the worst list in the comp.

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                        • ReLoad
                          Senior Player
                          • Sep 2009
                          • 1485

                          #13
                          Re: Dan Lonergan's view

                          He's totally wrong about clay smith, its way too early in a players career/development to tell if he is an abject failure or not. The rest though is pretty much bang on.

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                          • LostDoggy
                            WOOF Member
                            • Jan 2007
                            • 8307

                            #14
                            Re: Dan Lonergan's view

                            This is the telling comment :

                            They need both inside hard nuts and outside runners in midfield, but they are easier to find than quality key position players, which as mentioned the Demons have plenty of at both ends.

                            And he's right.

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                            • Bornadog
                              WOOF Clubhouse Leader
                              • Jan 2007
                              • 67691

                              #15
                              Re: Dan Lonergan's view

                              Originally posted by Scraggers
                              He's a Bulldog supporter isn't he?
                              He is supposed to be but all he does is whinge and wine and never really supports the club. He has great access to media as a commentator on 774 and the pieces he writes, yet all that comes out of his mouth is negativity. He has even convinced his son to NOT barrack for the dogs.

                              If you listen to the Coodabeens, the character that rings up Dan from Droop street is spot on. Compare him to Mark Stevens who at every opportunity promotes the club.
                              FFC: Established 1883

                              Premierships: AFL 1954, 2016 VFA - 1898,99,1900, 1908, 1913, 1919-20, 1923-24, VFL: 2014, 2016 . Champions of Victoria 1924. AFLW - 2018.

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