Did we waste Draft Picks by picking Rejects from other clubs?

[FrediKanoute]

Re: Did we waste Draft Picks by picking Rejects from other clubs?

Over the past two years Macca has tried to bring in some youth, but also decided to pick some rejects from other clubs (Including VFL):


Campbell
Darley
Dickson
Fuller
Goodes
Stevens
Young

I haven't included Crameri because he was an established leading goalkicker.

Should we have chosen raw 18 year olds instead of the guys above and developed them ourselves?

To answer the question - NO, we would probably not have gotten any more from a raw 18 year old.

Of the list I would have a question mark over Fuller in that he was mature and should be pressing for selection. Training and Footscray watchers will probably be better placed to give an assessment, but the general feeling I get from the Board is hmmmm, nothing special.

The rest are fine. I expect Campbell, Stevens and Young to be regular players (some are). Goodes and Dickson have served a purpose providing strong bodied, mature heads for a developing team. Both will probably not be around next year or the year after, but they have been solid contributors, doing the job they were selected to do.

Darley is a possible waste, but is young. He's no more a waste than Howard or Pearce has been.

[ledge]

Re: Did we waste Draft Picks by picking Rejects from other clubs?

I think our list goes a lot deeper than it did anytime under Eade, not that It was anything to do with Eade, we have put more time into recruiting now so we can make better decisions.
I'm very happy with the way our list is going and I think some are writing off DIckson to early.

[boydogs]

Re: Did we waste Draft Picks by picking Rejects from other clubs?

The most we used on anyone in that list was a 3rd rounder, I think we've done well.

[Nuggety Back Pocket]

Re: Did we waste Draft Picks by picking Rejects from other clubs?

Campbell - Developing ruckman take time, he has shown some reasonable signs, and seems the most likely Minson-replacement (long term) on the list. Happy with him.
Darley - Too early to tell. Can't recall what we gave up for him.
Dickson - Took him late in the draft. Is already a regular goal kicker when in the side. Prefer him to a speculative pick of an 18 year old.
Fuller - I guess we don't really know yet. I wasn't even impressed with his highlight reel to be honest. Think we may have erred in judgement taking him quite early when we may have been able to rookie him, or take much later.
Goodes - Happy to have rookie listed him. Has played some good games for us, was a good contributor last year, and keeps pressure on the backs for their spots when we are full strength.
Stevens - happy with getting him in. Is in our best 22. Power runner, who could be an excellent player with some improved game-sense.
Young - really good pick (think it was a 80-odd pick). Gives us flexibility and run out of defence. Think he is a long term player.

Of the players mentioned it would seem that Campbell and Young give us the most upside .Dickson has been handy but lacks pace. Stevens likewise although I think his spot will eventually be taken over by Bontempelli Smith and Hrovat. Goodes has been a handy fill in but his recruitment was made too late. I have reservations about Fuller with Darley still unproven. My theory is that once you have quality lists like Hawthorn and Geelong you can afford to be more selective . Geelong have been remarkable in its list management in rarely selecting rejects from other clubs but preferring to bring in new talent although Rivers and McIntosh have been exceptions by targeting positions that need replacements. We likewise have done well to secure Crameri when desperate for a forward.

[F'scary]

Re: Did we waste Draft Picks by picking Rejects from other clubs?

BAD, a number of the picks you refer to, specifically Young, Stevens, Darley & Campbell are young enough that there is no point splitting hairs on whether we should have gone with lucky dip 18 yo's instead of 20 or 21 yo's.

As for the older ones, well we got a few raw 18 yo's since Macca came along who have not even established themselves in the two's yet. E.g., Prudden & Pearce. So, Dickson & Goodes have played some good games and may yet play a few more - they are working out for the late picks we spent on them.

[F'scary]

Re: Did we waste Draft Picks by picking Rejects from other clubs?

Of the players mentioned it would seem that Campbell and Young give us the most upside .Dickson has been handy but lacks pace. Stevens likewise although I think his spot will eventually be taken over by Bontempelli Smith and Hrovat. Goodes has been a handy fill in but his recruitment was made too late. I have reservations about Fuller with Darley still unproven. My theory is that once you have quality lists like Hawthorn and Geelong you can afford to be more selective . Geelong have been remarkable in its list management in rarely selecting rejects from other clubs but preferring to bring in new talent although Rivers and McIntosh have been exceptions by targeting positions that need replacements. We likewise have done well to secure Crameri when desperate for a forward.

Stevens is pretty versatile. That is a good quality.

[Bulldog Joe]

Re: Did we waste Draft Picks by picking Rejects from other clubs?

It's a good question BAD.

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That was a great post GVGjr

[Twodogs]

Re: Did we waste Draft Picks by picking Rejects from other clubs?

Stevens is pretty versatile. That is a good quality.

As is Young.

I think the footy dept. also bought in Stevens and Young because they have body types-strong though the middle and they stay on their feet-that can play 'Macca Footy" straight away and they bring forward the implementation of his plan. Crameri has the same quality.

Darley is a possible waste, but is young. He's no more a waste than Howard or Pearce has been.

He has shown enough at training to give me hope that he has a good chance to make it. He's a nice kick too-pretty composed with the ball in his hand.

[Bornadog]

Re: Did we waste Draft Picks by picking Rejects from other clubs?

That was a great post GVGjr

yes ditto from me.

[Bornadog]

Re: Did we waste Draft Picks by picking Rejects from other clubs?

Young, Stevens, Darley & Campbell are young enough that there is no point splitting hairs on whether we should have gone with lucky dip 18 yo's instead of 20 or 21 yo's.

Agree these guys are still around 21/22, so good pickups.

[1eyedog]

Re: Did we waste Draft Picks by picking Rejects from other clubs?

It's fine to defend who we did pick and how they've performed but for the question to be quantifiable we need to look at what 18 year olds we could have chosen and assess how they are tracking. I have no hope of doing this to provide an argument either way.

Could you give me a list of the 18 year olds you're talking about?

[Twodogs]

Re: Did we waste Draft Picks by picking Rejects from other clubs?

That was a great post GVGjr

Yep really good post. It said that I wanted to say about how a lot of those players had attributes that the list was lacking at that time. They provided cover in experience, age profile, body types, positional shortcomings, playing skills, personality types that we desperately needed in the short term while we developed longer term options for them.

Dickson is a good example of this. He provided us with an option in the forward line but other players have gone past him now. He'll be good injury cover for the duration of his contract but is no longer first choice.

[Twodogs]

Re: Did we waste Draft Picks by picking Rejects from other clubs?

It's fine to defend who we did pick and how they've performed but for the question to be quantifiable we need to look at what 18 year olds we could have chosen and assess how they are tracking. I have no hope of doing this to provide an argument either way.

Could you give me a list of the 18 year olds you're talking about?

There'd be quite a few that would fit the bill so we'd have a fairly wide selection to choose from.

[Bornadog]

Re: Did we waste Draft Picks by picking Rejects from other clubs?

Could you give me a list of the 18 year olds you're talking about?

You know that is not going to happen. I put this up merely for discussion to see what posters think.

[1eyedog]

Re: Did we waste Draft Picks by picking Rejects from other clubs?

You know that is not going to happen. I put this up merely for discussion to see what posters think.

I know why didn't you just post something like 'Are we happy with our drafts and include the list?'