2014 Game Day Round 5 - Western Bulldogs V Carlton

[Eastdog]

Re: 2014 Game Day Round 5 - Western Bulldogs V Carlton

Disappointing. First quarter they got the lead and we were chasing tail the rest of the way. I don't feel we were that bad, thought we were the better team in the second half but every surge we had was shot down with a basic skill error or interference from those little yellow pests.

Missed Morris badly and was the reason I tipped against us this week.

Agree. They also killed us for pace today.

[AndrewP6]

Re: 2014 Game Day Round 5 - Western Bulldogs V Carlton

Just got home, replay on. Have I got enough drinks in the fridge to be able to sit through it?

[soupman]

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So disappointed. They are shit and we just managed to be shitter.

Can't believe how we just let it become a shootout straight up. Carlton are a team that is decent when it thinks it is, and we allowed that early. We should have made it a slog in that first quarter and just forced them to grind out every goal. Should have been accountable, tough and rough. Make them doubt that they could do it and make sure that when they did they earnt it. Instead we let them run around us and their belief and confidence was sky high 10 minutes in.

Really missed Morris down back. Needed a key defender that could win his position, Young and Williams both got done that first quarter and Talia would've too if Casboult was remotely talented and held his marks. I have always liked Williams ever since his run down the wing of the MCG on debut, but the time has come to say that he is now purely backup, and if Talia and Roberts are fit, they get priority at the selection table. Williams continues to be outbodied and pushed out of marking contests incredibly easily for a man of his size, and very rarely manages to at least halve the contest. For mine he has the rest of the year to show he can offer something up forward, otherwise I think he is done.

Our midfield got done. Minson has been so disappointing this season. Last season it wasn't just his hitouts, it was his domination of the ballups for the entire game that was his strength. He owned that 5m space around the ball up and was awesome to watch. Tonight he was beaten, and beaten easily by bloody Robbie Warnock. And we thought being beaten by Giles was bad. Griffen as a positive started to show old Griffen type behaviors, trying to drag us back into the game, although Carlton did as well as anyone in managing to avoid being made to look silly when Griffen and Macrae tried to put their moves on, so much so that I'm convinced that some of Macrae's crap handballs in the last quarter were because he no longer believed he was going to get round the Carlton player if he tried. Bontempelli was very encouraging, I thought Boyd was decent in the first half at least, but Libba and Wallis both had shockers.

Crameri was dangerous up forward, but he is a very average mark. If he can just clean up some of his fumbles it means he breaks away into space instead of having to put on the afterburners to regain the space he bought by working his arse of to receive in the first place. That last quarter missed shot was disappointing, but prior to that he had nailed all the big goals this season, something Essendon fans were all too happy to tell us he sucked at. Stringer was marginally better today, he actually played in front and managed through handballing to set up some goals/should be goals. I'm still not convinced he is doing anywhere near enough to justify his spot though, and not sure why he is being given a different rating sheet to guys like Hunter. I was actually fairly pleased with Jones today. I don't think he kicked a goal but he looks intense and as if he wants to hurt people, which isn't the worst thing to have in a contested marking key forward.

As for the umpiring it was shithouse, and yet the worst call of the night was calling play on after Jong got ran down. Unless that somehow landed on Jong's foot it was absolute textbook holding the ball and I wouldn't be surprised if it's in the "rules of the game" video next year as a demo to what holding the ball is.

That was very disappointing: we continued our run of woeful first quarters, we let the game develop into a shootout, something which doesn't suit us at all, and despite to our credit staying in the game until the last 5 minutes, we failed to take the chances we earnt and as has happened all season, everytime we make a poor error we get punished for it.

[azabob]

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Just got home, replay on. Have I got enough drinks in the fridge to be able to sit through it?

Put some music on instead and have a couple of quiet ones!

[G-Mo77]

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Just got home, replay on. Have I got enough drinks in the fridge to be able to sit through it?

Skip the first, it's disgusting.

[boydogs]

Re: 2014 Game Day Round 5 - Western Bulldogs V Carlton

Minson's worst ever game??

48 hitouts. Not his best game but far from his worst. Hard to dominate every week when you're by yourself for 90% of games

[jeemak]

Re: 2014 Game Day Round 5 - Western Bulldogs V Carlton

Good post Soupaman.

Don't think I really have to post much more than what you have, even though I've calmed down a little since my most recent.

[F'scary]

Re: 2014 Game Day Round 5 - Western Bulldogs V Carlton

Went to the game. Was shocked by the lack of pressure on them. They got 2 coast-to-coasts and at least two near coast-to-coasts from deep in their defence. Our players continuously played from behind and stood there and dropped their heads every time Carton took a mark on a lead (which they did all game) allowing the Blues to play on in a damaging way at will.

Our stoppage work was terrible. I would hate to see the clearance count.

I am not going to blame Young & Williams that much because the damage was being done up the field.

And we did not shepherd enough for our players when we had the ball. We were given a lesson in this skill today.

We have a long way to go.

[jeemak]

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Went to the game. Was shocked by the lack of pressure on them. They got 2 coast-to-coasts and at least two near coast-to-coasts from deep in their defence. Our players continuously played from behind and stood there and dropped their heads every time Carton took a mark on a lead (which they did all game) allowing the Blues to play on in a damaging way at will.

Our stoppage work was terrible. I would hate to see the clearance count.

I am not going to blame Young & Williams that much because the damage was being done up the field.

We have a long way to go.

You need your best defenders (or competition first class defenders) to be able to defend what they had to defend today. Sadly Young and Williams aren't quite there meaning they were on a hiding to nothing even though they had lapses in their own positioning and body work.

The other point where you are spot on is pointing out our poor work at the stoppages. It seems that every stoppage where we got first touch - which will happen enough in a game with our mids - we were under pressure, though a lot of the time when they won it they had players in space on goal side of their opponents which is just unforgivable. Once every so often is OK, but the amount it happened today was well over the top.

[F'scary]

Re: 2014 Game Day Round 5 - Western Bulldogs V Carlton

48 hitouts. Not his best game but far from his worst. Hard to dominate every week when you're by yourself for 90% of games

No, it was up there with the worst of them but I take your point on the lack of options or support. We have a complete lack of depth in the ruck division. This is what happens when you persist with Cordy - he's got to go at the end of the season.

[F'scary]

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You need your best defenders (or competition first class defenders) to be able to defend what they had to defend today. Sadly Young and Williams aren't quite there meaning they were on a hiding to nothing even though they had lapses in their own positioning and body work.

The other point where you are spot on is pointing out our poor work at the stoppages. It seems that every stoppage where we got first touch - which will happen enough in a game with our mids - we were under pressure, though a lot of the time when they won it they had players in space on goal side of their opponents which is just unforgivable. Once every so often is OK, but the amount it happened today was well over the top.

You are absolutely correct. Roughead and Morris would have made a difference even with the lack of pressure on their ball carriers upfield.

[LostDoggy]

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Well, glad I didn't multi-quote this one. Jesus Christ, this place gets murky after a loss. Even Cordy copped it and he wasn't even there.

Yes, Minson didn't perform well. He's rucking 98% of the bloody game on his own. Every week. He's down on confidence. Hope he doesn't read WOOF.

Young tried hard all day, as did Williams, but without Morris and Roughead they were woefully matched and just couldn't get it done. Hardly justifies calls for delisting.

Our pressure and intent looked a fair way down on two weeks ago. Changes in training load/fitness? Perhaps an accumulative effect of the short breaks, or the sandpit we played on last week? I won't buy that the players weren't mentally switched on, every man and his dog knew Carlton were going to come out in the fashion they did.

Stringer struggled early but worked his way into the game and wasn't that bad. Look, I know I have a man-crush that'd rival the Bulldogtragician-Grant Love Affair, but this is where the kid is learning his craft and it's f$&@%#g vital he does so. If only Jones had another 20 in him, we'd be laughing. When he comes on a bit he's going to kill blokes.

There were plenty of mistakes made on both sides. That happens in a shoot out. Did the coaching group mandate the play or did we simply find ourselves dictated to! I haven't watched the post match yet so it's hard to tell.

Bonts was fantastic, a great debut. Total positive.

I'm filthy we lost, but far more measured in my long term view. As I said before the game in my predictions, we're a young side still and the roller coaster is inevitable.

[Hotdog60]

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Well, glad I didn't multi-quote this one. Jesus Christ, this place gets murky after a loss. Even Cordy copped it and he wasn't even there.

Yes, Minson didn't perform well. He's rucking 98% of the bloody game on his own. Every week. He's down on confidence. Hope he doesn't read WOOF.

Young tried hard all day, as did Williams, but without Morris and Roughead they were woefully matched and just couldn't get it done. Hardly justifies calls for delisting.

Our pressure and intent looked a fair way down on two weeks ago. Changes in training load/fitness? Perhaps an accumulative effect of the short breaks, or the sandpit we played on last week? I won't buy that the players weren't mentally switched on, every man and his dog knew Carlton were going to come out in the fashion they did.

Stringer struggled early but worked his way into the game and wasn't that bad. Look, I know I have a man-crush that'd rival the Bulldogtragician-Grant Love Affair, but this is where the kid is learning his craft and it's f$&@%#g vital he does so. If only Jones had another 20 in him, we'd be laughing. When he comes on a bit he's going to kill blokes.

There were plenty of mistakes made on both sides. That happens in a shoot out. Did the coaching group mandate the play or did we simply find ourselves dictated to! I haven't watched the post match yet so it's hard to tell.

Bonts was fantastic, a great debut. Total positive.

I'm filthy we lost, but far more measured in my long term view. As I said before the game in my predictions, we're a young side still and the roller coaster is inevitable.

Macca said in the presser that they several moves but Carlton just played better and we couldn't shift the game back to our terms.
On a positive note this is my 2000 post.

[The Underdog]

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No, it was up there with the worst of them but I take your point on the lack of options or support. We have a complete lack of depth in the ruck division. This is what happens when you persist with Cordy - he's got to go at the end of the season.

I thought he was too busy causing trouble in the Ukraine and death and destruction in Syria to be responsible for Minson's form in a poor loss. Seriously I see the point you are trying to make but you may as well blame Campbell, who is currently our next best ruck option for not being a better forward option, Roberts for not developing quickly enough or the sub rule and interchange cap for destroying the 2nd ruckman.

[always right]

Re: 2014 Game Day Round 5 - Western Bulldogs V Carlton

Well, glad I didn't multi-quote this one. Jesus Christ, this place gets murky after a loss. Even Cordy copped it and he wasn't even there.

Yes, Minson didn't perform well. He's rucking 98% of the bloody game on his own. Every week. He's down on confidence. Hope he doesn't read WOOF.

Young tried hard all day, as did Williams, but without Morris and Roughead they were woefully matched and just couldn't get it done. Hardly justifies calls for delisting.

Our pressure and intent looked a fair way down on two weeks ago. Changes in training load/fitness? Perhaps an accumulative effect of the short breaks, or the sandpit we played on last week? I won't buy that the players weren't mentally switched on, every man and his dog knew Carlton were going to come out in the fashion they did.

Stringer struggled early but worked his way into the game and wasn't that bad. Look, I know I have a man-crush that'd rival the Bulldogtragician-Grant Love Affair, but this is where the kid is learning his craft and it's f$&@%#g vital he does so. If only Jones had another 20 in him, we'd be laughing. When he comes on a bit he's going to kill blokes.

There were plenty of mistakes made on both sides. That happens in a shoot out. Did the coaching group mandate the play or did we simply find ourselves dictated to! I haven't watched the post match yet so it's hard to tell.

Bonts was fantastic, a great debut. Total positive.

I'm filthy we lost, but far more measured in my long term view. As I said before the game in my predictions, we're a young side still and the roller coaster is inevitable.

Fair enough......but I don't understand your Jones comment. 20 what?