Time to Give Will some help in the Ruck

[Bornadog]

Re: Time to Give Will some help in the Ruck

The hit out count is about as useful as the number of blades of grass on the field. They killed us in the clearances and Minson had no impact despite us continually kicking the ball long to him.

Jacobs is about as limited as Minson, a tap ruckman and nothing more. Good if you play Supercoach I guess.

We won the clearances, stoppages, centre clearances and cont. poss.

[Greystache]

Re: Time to Give Will some help in the Ruck

For interest sake.....I would love to know how many sub-10 possession matches he played last year as the AA ruckman. Why do people all of a sudden expect Will to become a round the ground specialist when he hasn't been his whole career?

I was just a critical of him being a passenger last year between ball ups, so was the coach. Getting 8 touches a match is doing next to nothing for the team.

[F'scary]

Re: Time to Give Will some help in the Ruck

Another issue with Minson is that he is utter crap when resting in the FP.

[Go_Dogs]

Re: Time to Give Will some help in the Ruck

Another issue with Minson is that he is utter crap when resting in the FP.

He just allowed the big Sauce to get a few too many clearances today, his body work in the contest in the last was much improved, but prior to that he just wasn't up to scratch. He hasn't been our worst player this year, but he's certainly a fair way below what he was generating for us last year around the contest.

He's never going to be a big accumulator or great marking player, but he needs to bash and crash, block and generally make life harder for the opposition midfield because that's where his strengths are.

[F'scary]

Re: Time to Give Will some help in the Ruck

He just allowed the big Sauce to get a few too many clearances today, his body work in the contest in the last was much improved, but prior to that he just wasn't up to scratch. He hasn't been our worst player this year, but he's certainly a fair way below what he was generating for us last year around the contest.

He's never going to be a big accumulator or great marking player, but he needs to bash and crash, block and generally make life harder for the opposition midfield because that's where his strengths are.

When he is not rucking, it's best if he goes to the bench. That suggests Campbell stays on the ground next week alternating between FP and relier *!*!*!*!ing - oops relief rucking.

[boydogs]

Re: Time to Give Will some help in the Ruck

Do you think Minson needs help like the option Campbell provides or would Jones with a couple of 5 minute chop outs be the better option.

It all depends, whether Will is finding it difficult to get back up week after week, who we are playing, and how Jones & Campbell are going.

[Bulldog Joe]

Re: Time to Give Will some help in the Ruck

Criticism of Will this year has been justified, but he was WAY better against Adelaide.

He started well and was a factor in the last quarter.

Like the team he did struggle through the middle of the game, but he clearly had the better of Jacobs overall.

[Axe Man]

Re: Time to Give Will some help in the Ruck

For interest sake.....I would love to know how many sub-10 possession matches he played last year as the AA ruckman. Why do people all of a sudden expect Will to become a round the ground specialist when he hasn't been his whole career?

To satisfy your interest, the answer is 0!

His lowest possession games last year were precisely 10 in 3 games. He averaged 14.5 disposals per game.

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[LostDoggy]

Re: Time to Give Will some help in the Ruck

Most of the good tap ruckman are poor around the ground and most of the good around the ground ruckman are really poor tap ruckman. The exceptions are the likes of Cox (Who wasn't a good tap ruckman until he was older) and Naitanui when fit (Freak athleticism is the main reason both in ruck contests and around the ground).

Would people prefer someone like McEvoy who is good around the ground but is very poor in the middle or someone who is a very good tap ruckman but poor around the ground?

Anyway right now Minson is down on form in both areas, although I thought his tapwork was good on Sunday. Libba being given so much attention is hurting the effectiveness they had last year though.

[LostDoggy]

Re: Time to Give Will some help in the Ruck

The hit out count is about as useful as the number of blades of grass on the field. They killed us in the clearances and Minson had no impact despite us continually kicking the ball long to him.

Jacobs is about as limited as Minson, a tap ruckman and nothing more. Good if you play Supercoach I guess.

You're mistaken on Jacobs, He was averaging 20 disposals and 6+ marks per game going into Sunday, in that sense, Minson did a good job shutting him down around the ground.

[Greystache]

Re: Time to Give Will some help in the Ruck

You're mistaken on Jacobs, He was averaging 20 disposals and 6+ marks per game going into Sunday, in that sense, Minson did a good job shutting him down around the ground.

I haven't looked at this year but his previous 4 seasons he's averaged 11, 13, 13, 11 disposals per game. Saturday was just his career average.

[Mantis]

Re: Time to Give Will some help in the Ruck

I haven't looked at this year but his previous 4 seasons he's averaged 11, 13, 13, 11 disposals per game. Saturday was just his career average.

But what if Jacobs was at the start of a 'break-out' season where he is going to almost double his disposals and Will did a great job in curbing his influence?

[Greystache]

Re: Time to Give Will some help in the Ruck

But what if Jacobs was at the start of a 'break-out' season where he is going to almost double his disposals and Will did a great job in curbing his influence?

What if my aunty...

Just had a look at his stats this season, 22 and 25 against GWS (without Mumford) and St Kilda are inflating them. I don't see him having become the next Dean Cox overnight.

[Mantis]

Re: Time to Give Will some help in the Ruck

Just had a look at his stats this season, 22 and 25 against GWS (without Mumford) and St Kilda are inflating them. I don't see him having become the next Dean Cox overnight.

But when did Dean Cox become the next Dean Cox.. Did it happen overnight?

[Bornadog]

Re: Time to Give Will some help in the Ruck

What if my aunty...

Just had a look at his stats this season, 22 and 25 against GWS (without Mumford) and St Kilda are inflating them. I don't see him having become the next Dean Cox overnight.

Dale Morris - career average disposals 12 - he must be no good. Means nothing when you are in a certain role in the team.

We know you hate Will, you have told us many many times, but when he became All Australian, we didn't hear anything from you.

Ok, he has had a poor start to the season, but at this stage, he won't be dropped, Campbell won't be replacing him until he matures and learns football.

You want stats, here are the stats for ruckman:

1 Aaron Sandilands	FRE	19	3.2	51	8.5	70	11.7	47	7.8	18	3	12	2	265	44.2	16	2.7	5	0.8	15	2.5	2	0.3
2 Will Minson	WB	30	5	32	5.3	62	10.3	42	7	8	1.3	4	0.7	237	39.5	21	3.5	8	1.3	22	3.7	0	0
3 Robert Warnock	CARL	30	5	25	4.2	55	9.2	45	7.5	7	1.2	1	0.2	197	32.8	26	4.3	8	1.3	12	2	1	0.2
4 Todd Goldstein	NMFC	14	2.3	43	7.2	57	9.5	36	6	9	1.5	2	0.3	181	30.2	16	2.7	3	0.5	24	4	2	0.3
5 Shaun Hampson	RICH	12	2.4	33	6.6	45	9	24	4.8	7	1.4	2	0.4	176	35.2	8	1.6	4	0.8	10	2	0	0
6 Sam Jacobs	ADEL	50	8.3	55	9.2	105	17.5	32	5.3	34	5.7	4	0.7	170	28.3	16	2.7	11	1.8	16	2.7	1	0.2
6 Matthew Lobbe	PORT	28	4.7	35	5.8	63	10.5	36	6	12	2	2	0.3	170	28.3	17	2.8	8	1.3	30	5	4	0.7
8 Shane Mumford	GWS	10	3.3	31	10.3	41	13.7	31	10.3	8	2.7	1	0.3	151	50.3	11	3.7	3	1	24	8	2	0.7
9 Dean Cox	WCE	54	9	42	7	96	16	42	7	28	4.7	7	1.2	145	24.2	12	2	3	0.5	13	2.2	2	0.3
10 Mike Pyke	SYD	41	6.8	24	4	65	10.8	40	6.7	16	2.7	7	1.2	143	23.8	22	3.7	9	1.5	13	2.2	1	0.2

Most of them average around 10 disposals a game. Its the nature of how football is played now