Why can't we develop a key forward?

[Ozza]

Re: Why can't we develop a key forward?

If we are going to kick ourselves for anything, we should have moved heaven and earth to get into the Judd trade and grab Kennedy somehow. Who knows, if Buddy goes to GWS we get Patton...

I think our problem, at least for some period, was trying to land a 200cm player or KPF who was an athlete first and foremost. It was a philosophy to recruitment that didn't turn out to a great one. And then beyond that we persisted with some too long, I never thought much of Skip and less of Wight. I always hoped that Stevey Tiller would make it, but if guess he was one of the unlucky ones who didn't get a long contract extension for being tall and could run.
Alas, it's list management and drafting more than coaching or development. In another dimension no GWS or GCS we've got Harbrow with Bob at HBF, Ward as captain and Patton and/or Cameron and/or Boyd and another few top liners and were toasting who ever was at the helm. I think our big issue is not dropping to the bottom of the ladder to get a pick 1 or 2 type dead set gun. We dropped off the end of 2012 and came good end 2013 and we didn't get a draft reward for 4 game wins in 22. I'm expecting pick 3 or 4 this year and I'm very hopeful about us hopefully getting a good KPF at this pick.

I guess Steve's only other problem was that he couldn't play!

[Axe Man]

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I guess Steve's only other problem was that he couldn't play!

He also wasn't tall enough to be a key position player at 191cm.

[LostDoggy]

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Alas, it's list management and drafting more than coaching or development. In another dimension no GWS or GCS we've got Harbrow with Bob at HBF, Ward as captain and Patton and/or Cameron and/or Boyd and another few top liners and were toasting who ever was at the helm. I think our big issue is not dropping to the bottom of the ladder to get a pick 1 or 2 type dead set gun. We dropped off the end of 2012 and came good end 2013 and we didn't get a draft reward for 4 game wins in 22. I'm expecting pick 3 or 4 this year and I'm very hopeful about us hopefully getting a good KPF at this pick.

^^^
This, we were in the sweet spot for high draft picks right when we didn't want to be, we were also the hardest hit of any club with the expansion clubs taking gun players (Harbrow was less gunnish when he got GC but gun nonetheless). They should have said that if CG took one off you GWS couldn't, how other clubs got away unscathed still really irritates me.

Sure we got Macrae for Ward, and he is a star (still take Ward any day). But all we got for Hardbrow ended up being a dweeb at best in the form of the Sherminator.

[Maddog37]

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Adelaide copped it pretty hard from the new teams too.

[Scorlibo]

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^^^
This, we were in the sweet spot for high draft picks right when we didn't want to be, we were also the hardest hit of any club with the expansion clubs taking gun players (Harbrow was less gunnish when he got GC but gun nonetheless). They should have said that if CG took one off you GWS couldn't, how other clubs got away unscathed still really irritates me.

Sure we got Macrae for Ward, and he is a star (still take Ward any day). But all we got for Hardbrow ended up being a dweeb at best in the form of the Sherminator.

The biggest problem with losing both Harbrow and Ward was that they are in the right age bracket to improve our team right about now. In drafts from 04-07, we have only Griffen, Higgins, Wood and Grant as regular senior players. If we still had Everitt, Ray, Harbrow and Ward we would be improving more quickly than we currently are.

[Bornadog]

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The biggest problem with losing both Harbrow and Ward was that they are in the right age bracket to improve our team right about now. In drafts from 04-07, we have only Griffen, Higgins, Wood and Grant as regular senior players. If we still had Everitt, Ray, Harbrow and Ward we would be improving more quickly than we currently are.

Big gap in the 100 to 150 games bracket

[Mofra]

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This years draft my friends............this years draft.

If they make it (big if) that will help us in 2018... perhaps.

I'm all for selection one (if available) but I'd be happy with a late pick on an established VFL/SANFL player who can contribute now, "barely servcieable" is a low benchmark but may just be enough given what we have on the list now.

[Eastdog]

Re: Why can't we develop a key forward?

The biggest problem with losing both Harbrow and Ward was that they are in the right age bracket to improve our team right about now. In drafts from 04-07, we have only Griffen, Higgins, Wood and Grant as regular senior players. If we still had Everitt, Ray, Harbrow and Ward we would be improving more quickly than we currently are.

Would have been great to have those players still in our side.

[Eastdog]

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Big gap in the 100 to 150 games bracket

Yeah that's a big problem for us. We have a lot of older very experienced players in the side along with every young players starting out but which give us some great excitement.

[Bornadog]

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Would have been great to have those players still in our side.

I don't think many supporters would want Ray and Everitt.

[Eastdog]

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I don't think many supporters would want Ray and Everitt.

Why though BAD as they have been not too bad since leaving us would you say.

[Bornadog]

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Why though BAD as they have been not too bad since leaving us would you say.

I really don';t want to have a debate on Everitt. He is now at his third club and he is just travelling ok.

[LostDoggy]

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Farren took a while but has really become a useful runner from HB through the wing. We got Jordy Roughead for him essentially which is a KP win for once.

[BulldogBelle]

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If we are going to kick ourselves for anything, we should have moved heaven and earth to get into the Judd trade and grab Kennedy somehow. Who knows, if Buddy goes to GWS we get Patton...

I think our problem, at least for some period, was trying to land a 200cm player or KPF who was an athlete first and foremost. It was a philosophy to recruitment that didn't turn out to a great one. And then beyond that we persisted with some too long, I never thought much of Skip and less of Wight. I always hoped that Stevey Tiller would make it, but if guess he was one of the unlucky ones who didn't get a long contract extension for being tall and could run.

Alas, it's list management and drafting more than coaching or development. In another dimension no GWS or GCS we've got Harbrow with Bob at HBF, Ward as captain and Patton and/or Cameron and/or Boyd and another few top liners and were toasting who ever was at the helm. I think our big issue is not dropping to the bottom of the ladder to get a pick 1 or 2 type dead set gun. We dropped off the end of 2012 and came good end 2013 and we didn't get a draft reward for 4 game wins in 22. I'm expecting pick 3 or 4 this year and I'm very hopeful about us hopefully getting a good KPF at this pick.

Our timing to bottom out couldnt be worse

Our 2012 and 2013 draft picks were diluted by virtue of GWS and GC getting some many high picks and access to underage talent in prior years

Pick 3 is more like pick 13

[Mantis]

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Farren took a while but has really become a useful runner from HB through the wing. We got Jordy Roughead for him essentially which is a KP win for once.

Farren is still a very limited & frustrating player.

Re: OP - Was Grant really a gun power forward as stated? Gun player no doubt, but I never really classed him as a power forward.. Maybe I'm just being pedantic.