Trade Targets come Season End??

[Happy Days]

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This comment reminds me of the comment you made in response to my praise of Courtney Barnett. I have no idea if you are being sarcastic or not.... Very amusing indeed...

Great, I've become WOOFs first ever meme.

Seriously I think he's a perfect fit. Of the 22 guys we played on the weekend only like 2 can kick and even less can spread. This is pretty much all Gaff does so it would seem that he could add a lot to our side.

Squibs are fine by me, I'm so sick of cracking in that I would be THRILLED to watch the guys downhill ski for all of 2015.

[LostDoggy]

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And if you were another team, you would just sit on Gaff like what happens now and why he isn't much chop, he goes against our recent recruiting ethos of being able to win own ball (which I agree with). Gaff is an Eagleton type who would chop crap teams up and fold in finals - not what we need.

My view is trade Pick 4-6 for Patton - which may be slightly overpaying so maybe swap 2nd round picks as well. I don't think we can afford the time to draft a kid KPP and wait for 5-6 years (like Cordy and Jones) for them to be ready.

FWIW Jones is going to be ok but only as a second fwd - he shone when Baz played.

We aren't too far off. Hopefully we can draft some decent spread and ball users with our second and third picks. Next year may be the year to pick up a top line KPP or ball user in FA or trade period.

I keep wondering what GWS would do if we offered Dale Morris. Howls of protest perhaps, but he is just what they need to stem their backline bleeding for the next year or two, and they are desperate. I just wonder what they would give.

[kruder]

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I agree wholeheartedly - there is something special about Smith that you cannot teach. Plays with heart and unrivaled passion; simply hates getting beaten, and this is probably why we can't wait to see him in a big final. Similar to Libba in that regard.

I would only consider a trade if it meant we got a potential superstar KPF. Definitely not something I say lightly - I love watching Smith play.

How do you enjoy watching him kick the footy?

[Greystache]

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How do you enjoy watching him kick the footy?

He'd be close to the best kick for goal at the club.

[The Bulldogs Bite]

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Yep - I think he does much of his best work in the F50 at this stage of his career, with bursts in the midfield, rather than the other way around. Great goal sense.

[LostDoggy]

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And if you were another team, you would just sit on Gaff like what happens now and why he isn't much chop, he goes against our recent recruiting ethos of being able to win own ball (which I agree with). Gaff is an Eagleton type who would chop crap teams up and fold in finals - not what we need.

My view is trade Pick 4-6 for Patton - which may be slightly overpaying so maybe swap 2nd round picks as well. I don't think we can afford the time to draft a kid KPP and wait for 5-6 years (like Cordy and Jones) for them to be ready.

So we just don't get any speedy outside players in fear they get tagged? The idea would be to have 2 or 3 blokes like this. Like pretty much every other team has. Can't tag them all.

There is no way GWS will take pick 4-6 for Patton. Number 1 pick with years of development put into him. Would need that pick and a decent players before they even take the phone call.

[LostDoggy]

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So we just don't get any speedy outside players in fear they get tagged? The idea would be to have 2 or 3 blokes like this. Like pretty much every other team has. Can't tag them all.

There is no way GWS will take pick 4-6 for Patton. Number 1 pick with years of development put into him. Would need that pick and a decent players before they even take the phone call.

No I love speedy players, just players that can win own ball, defeat a tag and stand up in finals - Gaff ain't one of those.

Patton has knee problems, hasn't done much yet and is out of contract at end of next year and GWS could lose for nothing. Similar pressure led us to trade Lake a year out from his contract finishing. If Patton says he's going, I would think GWS would jump at Pick 4-6 rather than risk losing for nothing to say a StKilda in the PSD next year.

[1eyedog]

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And if you were another team, you would just sit on Gaff like what happens now and why he isn't much chop, he goes against our recent recruiting ethos of being able to win own ball (which I agree with). Gaff is an Eagleton type who would chop crap teams up and fold in finals - not what we need.

My view is trade Pick 4-6 for Patton - which may be slightly overpaying so maybe swap 2nd round picks as well. I don't think we can afford the time to draft a kid KPP and wait for 5-6 years (like Cordy and Jones) for them to be ready.

FWIW Jones is going to be ok but only as a second fwd - he shone when Baz played.

We aren't too far off. Hopefully we can draft some decent spread and ball users with our second and third picks. Next year may be the year to pick up a top line KPP or ball user in FA or trade period.

I keep wondering what GWS would do if we offered Dale Morris. Howls of protest perhaps, but he is just what they need to stem their backline bleeding for the next year or two, and they are desperate. I just wonder what they would give.

I'm all up for going after Patton but not picking a player because they are not a contested ball player doesn't make sense. Every team has a player or two on the outside who knows where the goals are. Having a bunch of heavy footed contested ball players is like a fight between Panzers against Mustang Tank Busters. It ain't going to end well for the Panzers. Nathan Eagleton was many things but he was a gut runner and player 250 games for a reason. Every single team needs a player who can breaks lines and kick goals and we have one, Murphy who has 1-2 years left at the club. Outsider runners who kick goals are the type of players who succeed in a good-great team and we plan to be a good-great team in 3 years.

[soupman]

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I'm all up for going after Patton but not picking a player because they are not a contested ball player doesn't make sense. Every team has a player of two on the outside who knows where the goals are.

I don't think anyone is disputing this. We all want an outside player who is quick and knows where the goals are.

I think we are building a side to win finals and not dominate seasons, that means the outside players we pick need to be capable of playing well in finals. Eagleton never did, and there is certainly parallels between Gaff and Eagleton and their ability to handle pressure/a tag/a physical finals like game style.

I think the question isn't "is Gaff is the wrong type of player", but rather "is Gaff is the right one of those players".

[1eyedog]

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I don't think anyone is disputing this. We all want an outside player who is quick and knows where the goals are.

I think we are building a side to win finals and not dominate seasons, that means the outside players we pick need to be capable of playing well in finals. Eagleton never did, and there is certainly parallels between Gaff and Eagleton and their ability to handle pressure/a tag/a physical finals like game style.

I think the question isn't "is Gaff is the wrong type of player", but rather "is Gaff is the right one of those players".

Fair enough. I thought Gaff was one of the Eagles best players in their 2011 final series. A bunch of inside 50s (he lead the club for these last year?), most running bounces in both finals of any Eagles player and over 20 possessions in each game. Love to see those numbers from anyone we can put down there - plus they got flogged but he still made a solid contribution. Still, stats are deceiving. He's very outside but he is always involved. Anyway he wants to stay there and they want to keep him so I'm assuming it's all academic.

[Scorlibo]

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I don't think anyone is disputing this. We all want an outside player who is quick and knows where the goals are.

I think we are building a side to win finals and not dominate seasons, that means the outside players we pick need to be capable of playing well in finals. Eagleton never did, and there is certainly parallels between Gaff and Eagleton and their ability to handle pressure/a tag/a physical finals like game style.

I think the question isn't "is Gaff is the wrong type of player", but rather "is Gaff is the right one of those players".

A lot of people seem to remember Eagleton's poor performance in the '09 prelim, but forget that in the 9 finals we played between 2008-2010 that he collected 20 touches or more in 6 of them, kicked goals and was probably BOG against Brisbane in '09.

[Mofra]

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A lot of people seem to remember Eagleton's poor performance in the '09 prelim, but forget that in the 9 finals we played between 2008-2010 that he collected 20 touches or more in 6 of them, kicked goals and was probably BOG against Brisbane in '09.

There is a certain sense of irony in Eagle copping a fair bit of stick over the years, only for us as a club to find out firsthand what happens when you lose outside run.

[lemmon]

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There is a certain sense of irony in Eagle copping a fair bit of stick over the years, only for us as a club to find out firsthand what happens when you lose outside run.

Farren Ray falls into the same boat, just turned 28 but is approached 200 games. Not something to sneeze at

[Bulldog4life]

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There is a certain sense of irony in Eagle copping a fair bit of stick over the years, only for us as a club to find out firsthand what happens when you lose outside run.

Thinking the same thing. Although he was always a favourite of mine

[lemmon]

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I think it was GVG who mentioned him last year but Casboult looks like he's about to become a player