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  • Cyberdoggie
    WOOF Member
    • Jan 2007
    • 2861

    #91
    Re: The Burnout

    You will always get bigger numbers for the teams up the top because they are winning but for the sides around the middle and below I'm sure it's having an impact that the attractiveness of the game isn't there any more.

    I used to watch just about every game that was on tv, you would get some good ones and some not as good but at least the game flowed and the forward used to lead at the ball have a good contest, usually 1 on 1.

    Now it's just an ugly mess with a ridiculous amount of stoppages. I haven't done the numbers but I bet the numbers of hitouts are going up.

    I don't know about you guys but I hate seeing forwards running back towards goal on leads and not towards the player with the ball.
    It's boring.

    After the north game I tried to convince myself it was just a product of two teams not wanting to lose and it was just a bad game aesthetically. After the Essendon game I was so disgusted in the state of what I was watching from both sides I couldn't sleep for 2 nights thinking about it. The fact that neither side wanted to take the game on and run through the middle of the ground or take any risks disgusted me. We've gone complete full circle under McCartney from when he took over, then the way we started playing last year and now this year we are back to year 1. Kicking it around the boundary line to try and force a stoppage inside 50 and hopefully scrap a goal.
    The Melbourne game again was equally as ugly to watch, I think we had under 3 contested marks for the game.
    Would it surprise anyone that we average 7.2 contested marks per game this year? That's for the whole team, our leading contested marks are Liam Jones and Will Minson both on 7, that's 1 a game for Liam and .8 per game for Will.
    Basically that tells me several things, and in general that we suck at taking marks in contested situations so we play ugly kick it to touch football as a result.
    We also did this last year until Campbell came in and straightened us up.

    A look at our backline half backs also paints a picture, where is our run generated from? Higgins can't run through anything so just kicks it to a pack along the boundary line is there are no options.
    Wood is too scared or turning it over by foot so he tries to play it safe these days, and the opposition know Murphy is our only asset down back so they put some work in to stopping him and his numbers are down this year. Who else do we have that can take the game on from defence without turning the ball over all the time? no one.

    If you can have players that are willing to take risks and get away with it just brings the rest of the players into the game naturally. Look at the quality of running options Hawthorn has compared to us. It's scary.


    Anyway I'm very apathetic about watching the sport I used to love so much these days and hopefully others feel the same so that perhaps the message gets out that it's just not acceptable. This is the Australian people's game, not the coaches. I think we have a bigger say than we think.

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    • Bulldog4life
      WOOF Member
      • Oct 2007
      • 9607

      #92
      Re: The Burnout

      Been going to see the Doggies play since I was a kid in the 60's. I am nowhere near burnout. I was at the Fight Back at the Whitten Oval in October 1989 and played a small part. We nearly didn't exist. Now that was burnout.

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      • LostDoggy
        WOOF Member
        • Jan 2007
        • 8307

        #93
        Re: The Burnout

        I look forward to every year and each game no matter how good or bad we are . I enjoy going to the football with my family and seeing the true members who turn up week after week . After 57 years of my life without a flag I will still go and hope that we will win one. We are one good forward away from being a top yeam and our effort yesterday was great without the final touches against last years runners up ... Toughen up people the good is coming

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        • josie
          Coaching Staff
          • Oct 2012
          • 4664

          #94
          Re: The Burnout

          Originally posted by hughy31
          I look forward to every year and each game no matter how good or bad we are . I enjoy going to the football with my family and seeing the true members who turn up week after week . After 57 years of my life without a flag I will still go and hope that we will win one. We are one good forward away from being a top yeam and our effort yesterday was great without the final touches against last years runners up ... Toughen up people the good is coming
          Love your postivity Hughy,

          And I too attend Vic games no matter what our form.

          I think we need more than a good forward myself, however I'm also not so sure our list is as bad as some posters think. For a start at least we've been competitive in most matches this year. I recall a similar season possibly just prior to us landing Cooney in the draft (or was it the year he was drafted?) where we lost almost every game but were competitive in many. Then the year after that we were on the rise. Things that do concern me are the lack of skill, poise & speed. I think skill & poise are partially due to lack of confidence with young players and hoping some of our quick runners start cementing a spot in the best 22 asap. Also our effective centre clearance work has plummeted compared to 2013 and that's a worry.

          Just hoping our list is not as poor as some posters seem to think otherwise we are in for more years of pain and low membership.
          Josie :)

          Our day will come
          And we'll have everything.
          We'll share the joy
          Just like '54 again.

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          • chef
            Hall of Fame
            • Nov 2008
            • 14748

            #95
            Re: The Burnout

            Too bad some fans would have missed that being too burnt out.
            The curse is dead.

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            • Bornadog
              WOOF Clubhouse Leader
              • Jan 2007
              • 67701

              #96
              Re: The Burnout

              Originally posted by hughy31
              I look forward to every year and each game no matter how good or bad we are . I enjoy going to the football with my family and seeing the true members who turn up week after week . After 57 years of my life without a flag I will still go and hope that we will win one. We are one good forward away from being a top team and our effort yesterday was great without the final touches against last years runners up ... Toughen up people the good is coming
              Well Hughy31, after being directed to this thread by GVGjr on twitter and seeing your post, I hope you got to see 2016.
              FFC: Established 1883

              Premierships: AFL 1954, 2016 VFA - 1898,99,1900, 1908, 1913, 1919-20, 1923-24, VFL: 2014, 2016 . Champions of Victoria 1924. AFLW - 2018.

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              • 1eyedog
                Hall of Fame
                • Mar 2008
                • 13387

                #97
                Re: The Burnout

                Yes. I didn't attend an AFL game this season. I think my nerves / soul etc. are just shot.

                I've been to four AFLW games though.
                But then again, I'm an Internet poster and Bevo is a premiership coach so draw your own conclusions.

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                • Bornadog
                  WOOF Clubhouse Leader
                  • Jan 2007
                  • 67701

                  #98
                  Re: The Burnout

                  Originally posted by 1eyedog
                  Yes. I didn't attend an AFL game this season. I think my nerves / soul etc. are just shot.

                  I've been to four AFLW games though.

                  I have been trying to support the AFLW team, and I am a foundation member. It has a long way to go, but I understand the talent has been spread out amongst all the teams. I find it frustrating at times to watch, and it will only get better.

                  Have you been taking the kids?
                  FFC: Established 1883

                  Premierships: AFL 1954, 2016 VFA - 1898,99,1900, 1908, 1913, 1919-20, 1923-24, VFL: 2014, 2016 . Champions of Victoria 1924. AFLW - 2018.

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                  • 1eyedog
                    Hall of Fame
                    • Mar 2008
                    • 13387

                    #99
                    Re: The Burnout

                    Originally posted by bornadog
                    I have been trying to support the AFLW team, and I am a foundation member. It has a long way to go, but I understand the talent has been spread out amongst all the teams. I find it frustrating at times to watch, and it will only get better.

                    Have you been taking the kids?
                    I have. While my daughter is absolutely obssessed with Aaron Naughton (she plays wearing a white headband) she enjoys going to the AFLW matches. I take some of her team mates along as well. It's just so accessible. I wish we'd play more of our home games at Ikon Park this year it's a great place to watch footy. The Punt Road game was just a nightmare.

                    When the women are paid enough to train full time as full time professionals the standard will lift considerably. Also, we have lots of athletic girls crossing over from lots of other sports so in the next 5 years we'll start to have full teams of predominately football girls who grew up playing football. That will help also.
                    But then again, I'm an Internet poster and Bevo is a premiership coach so draw your own conclusions.

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                    • Bornadog
                      WOOF Clubhouse Leader
                      • Jan 2007
                      • 67701

                      #100
                      Re: The Burnout

                      Originally posted by 1eyedog
                      I have. While my daughter is absolutely obssessed with Aaron Naughton (plays wearing a white headband) she plays AFL and enjoys going to the AFLW matches. I take some of her team mates along as well. It's just so accessible. I wish we'd play more of our home games at Ikon Park this year it's a great place to watch footy. The Punt Road game was just a nightmare.

                      When the women are paid enough to train full time as full time professionals the standard will lift considerably. Also, we have lots of athletic girls crossing over from lots of other sports so in the next 5 years we'll start to have full teams of predominately football girls who grew up playing football. That will help also.
                      I went to Punt Rd as I live not too far away and can walk, and agree the set up that day was awful, especially with the Jack Dyer stand vacant.

                      Last game is at Ikon, but a Friday night.
                      FFC: Established 1883

                      Premierships: AFL 1954, 2016 VFA - 1898,99,1900, 1908, 1913, 1919-20, 1923-24, VFL: 2014, 2016 . Champions of Victoria 1924. AFLW - 2018.

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                      • 1eyedog
                        Hall of Fame
                        • Mar 2008
                        • 13387

                        #101
                        Re: The Burnout

                        Originally posted by bornadog
                        I went to Punt Rd as I live not too far away and can walk, and agree the set up that day was awful, especially with the Jack Dyer stand vacant.

                        Last game is at Ikon, but a Friday night.
                        We'll be there. I live in Brunswick so it works really well for us.

                        Believe the Jack Dyer stand is a OH&S issue so you can't sit in it (at least that's what the RFC are saying in the hopes of demolishing the heritage listed building).
                        But then again, I'm an Internet poster and Bevo is a premiership coach so draw your own conclusions.

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                        • Bornadog
                          WOOF Clubhouse Leader
                          • Jan 2007
                          • 67701

                          #102
                          Re: The Burnout

                          Originally posted by 1eyedog
                          We'll be there. I live in Brunswick so it works really well for us.

                          Believe the Jack Dyer stand is a OH&S issue so you can't sit in it (at least that's what the RFC are saying in the hopes of demolishing the heritage listed building).
                          They have been given the go ahead to demolish.
                          FFC: Established 1883

                          Premierships: AFL 1954, 2016 VFA - 1898,99,1900, 1908, 1913, 1919-20, 1923-24, VFL: 2014, 2016 . Champions of Victoria 1924. AFLW - 2018.

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