Strange Feeling...

[bulldogtragic]

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At this stage I see Macrae as a fair swap for Patton, Bontempelli not far behind Macrae in terms of value. Along with Libba, those two are our most valuable players right now.

Dahlhaus for mine is a rung below, only because of his lack of set shot class.

I don't think a top five pick plus any of those players is reasonable, though that's not to say it's not what it would take to get the deal done.

This is why it's problematic trading for key forwards of any note, you always get ripped off. There's a good reason why the only clubs that have them were lucky enough for the most part for them to fall into their laps, or have ridiculous spending money beyond the means of other clubs.

If you're prepared to enter a win/win trade it can happen though. Geelong people loved Moloney, but Geelong people remember Brad Ottens helping them set up a dynasty. Or you take aim at a kid who you expect to take the next step like jack Gunston or Kennedy in the Judd Deal which is still bearing fruit - or a player who could move into a KPF position like a Fraser Gehrig. I think you just need some imagination and be open to the right deal. I think we are tinged by horrible memories of it going wrong, but the Hawks, Dockers and Swans are great trading clubs I just hope one day it happens for us with a KPP that kicks on from the trade.

[LostDoggy]

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What about something like...Easton Wood and pick 5/6 for Tom Boyd and pick 20/21

[bulldogtragic]

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What about something like...Easton Wood and pick 5/6 for Tom Boyd and pick 20/21

I like the effort, but I think the test is always finding a price you think is borderline too much to give up as being somewhere around the mark.

Getting a potential once in a generation talent (so some believe he his) who went Pick 1 easily, for pick 5 a year later and Wood for 21 would be so much a massive win for us I'd almost feel bad for them. Almost, but not.

Boyd was a Carlton supporter too, so he fails the good people test.

[boydogs]

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I like the effort, but I think the test is always finding a price you think is borderline too much to give up as being somewhere around the mark.

What about removing the GWS pick 21 coming back to us, so Wood & 5 for Boyd
I rate Easton but I would do that, based on how badly we need a quality KPF

[bulldogtragic]

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What about removing the GWS pick 21 coming back to us, so Wood & 5 for Boyd
I rate Easton but I would do that, based on how badly we need a quality KPF

In a heartbeat. Let's say for instance Wright slips to 5, he looks alright to my mind, his last half against the Falcons this year was bloody impressive despite a smaller opponent. But Boyd is a far better bet. If we needed to replace him we are keeping Bob on again next year, and we might keep Young for another year and potentially draft Zaine to the tall flanker role with an eye to the future. I'm not sure why GWS would want Wood with them recruiting Shaw and with some youngsters coming through. I think that if we really think we are going to improve next year, then this is the lowest pick and thus the highest trading pick we will have until we peak and repeat the cycle. On that basis we should consider every option to snag a KPF, but it's going to cost, it's just the way it is if we want to trade for one.

[boydogs]

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I think that if we really think we are going to improve next year, then this is the lowest pick and thus the highest trading pick we will have until we peak and repeat the cycle. On that basis we should consider every option to snag a KPF, but it's going to cost, it's just the way it is if we want to trade for one.

Yep. Would GWS want Higgins? He could be the one that wants out, not sure GWS would be his choice but pick 5 & Higgins might be all we get to play with without destroying the fabric of the club and trading someone that doesn't want to go

[Scorlibo]

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If Higgins goes it will be as a free agent.

[bulldogsthru&thru]

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Is Patton out of contract? If not, there is no way we are landing him with any kind of trade. We wont give up any of our young players that GWS may want

[chef]

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We wait for years for Wood to develop, than when he arrives we trade him

Don't like it.

[Cyberdoggie]

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Is Patton out of contract? If not, there is no way we are landing him with any kind of trade. We wont give up any of our young players that GWS may want

I might be wrong but i think he has another year.

[bulldogtragic]

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We wait for years for Wood to develop, than when he arrives we trade him

Don't like it.

My wife is a Hawthorn tragic, she loved Mark Williams as a small but yet great goal kicking target at Hawthorn and was devastated when he was traded out. She now loves Shaun Burgoyne even more at a guess though.

The more I think about it, the more I'm thinking this is the post season that could be talked about if we win this bloody cup or looking back and identifying this year's trade, FS and draft.

[chef]

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My wife is a Hawthorn tragic, she loved Mark Williams as a small but yet great goal kicking target at Hawthorn and was devastated when he was traded out. She now loves Shaun Burgoyne even more at a guess though.

The more I think about it, the more I'm thinking this is the post season that could be talked about if we win this bloody cup or looking back and identifying this year's trade, FS and draft.

You can put whatever spin you like on it, but when you start trading out popular guys who are happy where they are you are asking for trouble....work of the devil some may say.

Plus he's also an integral part of our backline and will leave a gapping hole.

[wimberga]

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You can put whatever spin you like on it, but when you start trading out popular guys who are happy where they are you are asking for trouble....work of the devil some may say.

Plus he's also an integral part of our backline and will leave a gapping hole.

But what if the guy you bring is even more popular? what if the guy you bring in helps you win a flag?

If the club think its what needs to happen, then they have to try and make it work.

to get quality, you have to give quality. There are sensitivities at play, but macca and the club have to back themselves in.

If they think the club would be better placed retaining a player and not pursuing a trade, I am sure they will do that too.

[LostDoggy]

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I might be wrong but i think he has another year.

You're spot on. He's contracted until the end of 2015.

[chef]

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But what if the guy you bring is even more popular? what if the guy you bring in helps you win a flag?

If the club think its what needs to happen, then they have to try and make it work.

to get quality, you have to give quality. There are sensitivities at play, but macca and the club have to back themselves in.

If they think the club would be better placed retaining a player and not pursuing a trade, I am sure they will do that too.

And what if it shows the youngers that they're just a number and we can just flog you off at any time if something more shiny comes along?

I get the feeling with Macca that this would go against the grain of what he's trying to build at our footy club anyway.