Bulldogs “Talls of Shame”

[Bulldog4life]

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In the mid 90's Sam Phillipou was a major disappointment for us. Came over from S.A. with a big reputation.

http://www.coodabeens.com.au/samp.html

[always right]

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Lynton Fitzpatrick who KB declared at the time, would become a star.

[Webby]

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I remember Lynton Fitzpatrick and Phil OKeefe playing senior footy for us in '89 and thinking "We're doomed, here!"

- I was nearly right!

[Twodogs]

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I remember Lynton Fitzpatrick and Phil OKeefe playing senior footy for us in '89 and thinking "We're doomed, here!"

- I was nearly right!

And then Chris Grant lands in our lap.

[Doc26]

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James Mulligan
Luke Penny

[Guido]

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I think a distinction needs to be made - the original post was clearly for recycled fringe players traded/drafted in, not young draftees/rookies.

Any club can list hundreds of failed draftees picked up at 17/18 and didn't make the cut, and that includes the best managed lists in the comp. You make an assessment on a really underdeveloped kid, there's hundreds of factors that that influence whether or not they make it (particularly with talls), it can go either way.

However not many (if any) clubs can go through dozens upon dozens of failed recycled players who were almost guaranteed to fail, and then continue with that dimwitted policy when history gives you a clear indication that it will fail.

The clear majority of those pick-ups in the opening post were blokes would have originally been rated at between 20-35 on their respective lists or otherwise were delisted (rated 35+) - this is after 3-4-5-6-7 years in the system.

Why our footy department, and it's actually not just one, but multiple footy departments that have overseen list management, have all had this ingrained culture/diseased hope that these players will suddenly make huge advances in talent once they move across. This thinking that a move to our club will somehow see these average players make a magical transormation, not only into slightly better fringe players (specifically recruiting in the hope a player jumps from 25-30 on a typical AFL list standard to 20-25 on an AFL list standard is pretty stupid) but actually someone you can depend on in a final (ranked 10-18 in a really solid list) is mind-boggling.

Is every recruit picked up thinking this next one will be the exception that proves the rule? It ain't going to happen, and yet still these stupid offers keep getting made. "Hey! Lucky we dodged that bullet with Bate! Delisted 11 months later haha! Really could have ended up with egg on our faces! LOL ... ok, so let's talk Gumbleton."

Those who don't learn from history are deemed to repeat it, the definition of insanity is to make the same mistake over and over again and expect different outcomes .. yada yada yada. But our last 5 coaches have thought that they're smarter than history or have otherwise been oblivious to it.

[Guido]

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And thought of a couple more fringe players we had cracks at: Courtney Johns (from memory Essendon wouldn't release him), and if he had have bothered to turn up to training, Karl Norman was another in line to be picked up.

[SlimPickens]

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Luke Penny

Luke Penny leaving the club still really pisses me off. Not sure why, just does.

[Bornadog]

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Luke Penny leaving the club still really pisses me off. Not sure why, just does.

He was enticed by a Saints board member half way during that year but didn't say anything till the end.

[Doc26]

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Luke Penny leaving the club still really pisses me off. Not sure why, just does.

I had high hopes for Penny, and like you, I to was very disappointed the way it played out. I mean really, why St.Kilda ? What did they have as a Club that we didn't ? It did irk me that they appeared at the time to get one over us, which they then followed up a number of years later by somewhat forcing our hand to use our first round selection on Ayce.

A shame, as it turned out to be a failured venture, with Penny never reaching the potential we saw in him at the time.

[Dancin' Douggy]

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I think a distinction needs to be made - the original post was clearly for recycled fringe players traded/drafted in, not young draftees/rookies.

Any club can list hundreds of failed draftees picked up at 17/18 and didn't make the cut, and that includes the best managed lists in the comp. You make an assessment on a really underdeveloped kid, there's hundreds of factors that that influence whether or not they make it (particularly with talls), it can go either way.

However not many (if any) clubs can go through dozens upon dozens of failed recycled players who were almost guaranteed to fail, and then continue with that dimwitted policy when history gives you a clear indication that it will fail.

The clear majority of those pick-ups in the opening post were blokes would have originally been rated at between 20-35 on their respective lists or otherwise were delisted (rated 35+) - this is after 3-4-5-6-7 years in the system.

Why our footy department, and it's actually not just one, but multiple footy departments that have overseen list management, have all had this ingrained culture/diseased hope that these players will suddenly make huge advances in talent once they move across. This thinking that a move to our club will somehow see these average players make a magical transormation, not only into slightly better fringe players (specifically recruiting in the hope a player jumps from 25-30 on a typical AFL list standard to 20-25 on an AFL list standard is pretty stupid) but actually someone you can depend on in a final (ranked 10-18 in a really solid list) is mind-boggling.

Is every recruit picked up thinking this next one will be the exception that proves the rule? It ain't going to happen, and yet still these stupid offers keep getting made. "Hey! Lucky we dodged that bullet with Bate! Delisted 11 months later haha! Really could have ended up with egg on our faces! LOL ... ok, so let's talk Gumbleton."

Those who don't learn from history are deemed to repeat it, the definition of insanity is to make the same mistake over and over again and expect different outcomes .. yada yada yada. But our last 5 coaches have thought that they're smarter than history or have otherwise been oblivious to it.

Hallelujiah Guido. You have summed up my thread better than I could have myself.

[LostDog]

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Paul Dooley

[azabob]

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And thought of a couple more fringe players we had cracks at: Courtney Johns (from memory Essendon wouldn't release him), and if he had have bothered to turn up to training, Karl Norman was another in line to be picked up.

Was Norman a tall forward? Didn't something untoward happen to him by one of our players ?

[Happy Days]

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Was Norman a tall forward? Didn't something untoward happen to him by one of our players ?

Him and Libba would get on REAL well.

[mighty_west]

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Michael West