Welcome to the WBFC - Declan Hamilton

[BulldogBelle]

Re: Welcome to the WBFC - Declan Hamilton

Declan Hamilton
Date of Birth 18 March 1996 (age 20)
No senior games and doesn't look likely despite numerous injuries.

Lindsay Gilbee
Date of birth 8 July 1981
At age of 20 he had 9 senior games and looked like a footballer with Collingwood chasing him.
He was not a late developer

Tony Liberatore
Date of birth 11 February 1966
2× Gardiner Medal: 1986, 1988 age 20 and 22
Morrish Medal: 1984 age 18
He was not a late developer.

Matthew Boyd
Date of birth 27 August 1982
In his 20's he played 8 games already coming straight from Dandenong and playing little in the seconds.
He was not a late developer.

Liam Picken
Was Best and fairest for Williamstown in 2008 and picked up by us and
played his first game in 2009.
He was not a late developer.

Daniel Cross
Date of birth 30 March 1983
Debut Round 10, 2002, Aged 19
AFL Rising Star nominee: 2004 Aged 21
He as not a late developer

Looks to me like you guys are trying your best to find an excuse for the bad decision. Its a lot more comforting to try to find comparisons and make excuses and then leave things in trust to those who should know than it is to find that some incompetent is burning our club and try to do something about it.

Look at the huge amount of players whom we have had on our list for years too long when a blind fool could see that they were duds. we must have had a dozen duds on our list not long ago. I don't trust the 'brains trust'. Not a bit. There goes our premiership down the drain.

This time next year when you see the spot that Declan Hamilton occupies on our list you are not going to see a possible new Chris Grant, Dale Morris or Matty Boyd. All you are going to see is a dud Declan Hamilton. Then you are going to wonder why we aren't winning premierships.

[comrade]

Re: Welcome to the WBFC - Declan Hamilton

I can't tell if this is a piss take or not? We're not winning a flag because we re-signed Declan Hamilton for an extra year?

[Bornadog]

Re: Welcome to the WBFC - Declan Hamilton

Picken debut age 23
Boyd Debut age 21
Cross Debut age 20, 4 games, age 21 6 games, then he started to play a bit more regularly, so late developer.
Tony Libba - debut age 20 4 games, Played 18 games in 4 years, late developer.


PS: Please don't come on this board and use language like duds.

[bulldogtragic]

Re: Welcome to the WBFC - Declan Hamilton

I can't tell if this is a piss take or not? We're not winning a flag because we re-signed Declan Hamilton for an extra year?

Yep. I think it cost us Hurley as well for your info.

[comrade]

Re: Welcome to the WBFC - Declan Hamilton

Picken debut age 23
Boyd Debut age 21
Cross Debut age 20, 4 games, age 21 6 games, then he started to play a bit more regularly, so late developer.
Libba - debut age 20 4 games, Played 18 games in 4 years, late developer.


PS: Please don't come on this board and use language like duds.

Facts would also be handy. One of the worst posts I've ever read on WOOF.

[bulldogtragic]

Re: Welcome to the WBFC - Declan Hamilton

Declan Hamilton
Date of Birth 18 March 1996 (age 20)
No senior games and doesn't look likely despite numerous injuries.

Lindsay Gilbee
Date of birth 8 July 1981
At age of 20 he had 9 senior games and looked like a footballer with Collingwood chasing him.
He was not a late developer

Tony Liberatore
Date of birth 11 February 1966
2× Gardiner Medal: 1986, 1988 age 20 and 22
Morrish Medal: 1984 age 18
He was not a late developer.

Matthew Boyd
Date of birth 27 August 1982
In his 20's he played 8 games already coming straight from Dandenong and playing little in the seconds.
He was not a late developer.

Liam Picken
Was Best and fairest for Williamstown in 2008 and picked up by us and
played his first game in 2009.
He was not a late developer.

Daniel Cross
Date of birth 30 March 1983
Debut Round 10, 2002, Aged 19
AFL Rising Star nominee: 2004 Aged 21
He as not a late developer

Looks to me like you guys are trying your best to find an excuse for the bad decision. Its a lot more comforting to try to find comparisons and make excuses and then leave things in trust to those who should know than it is to find that some incompetent is burning our club and try to do something about it.

Look at the huge amount of players whom we have had on our list for years too long when a blind fool could see that they were duds. we must have had a dozen duds on our list not long ago. I don't trust the 'brains trust'. Not a bit. There goes our premiership down the drain.

This time next year when you see the spot that Declan Hamilton occupies on our list you are not going to see a possible new Chris Grant, Dale Morris or Matty Boyd. All you are going to see is a dud Declan Hamilton. Then you are going to wonder why we aren't winning premierships.

Chris Grant would be taken as a rookie in modern days owing the very, very low pick he was. Morris & Boyd were selected as rookies. I can't agree with your logic that asserts a raw kid kept on the primary list denies the next "possible" rookie, a rookie spot, on a rookie list. We already have at least one rookie vacancy to find the next possible rookie.

[jeemak]

Re: Welcome to the WBFC - Declan Hamilton

I can't tell if this is a piss take or not? We're not winning a flag because we re-signed Declan Hamilton for an extra year?

Yep. I think it cost us Hurley as well for your info.

If my mail is correct we had Hurley stitched up until we re-signed Hamilton. My source tells me that the talent in the third to fifth round of the draft this year was James Hird and Chris Grant special, and that Hurley was livid that we wouldn't let him be second banana to an equivalent to these guys sourced in those rounds.

[bulldogtragic]

Re: Welcome to the WBFC - Declan Hamilton

If my mail is correct we had Hurley stitched up until we re-signed Hamilton. My source tells me that the talent in the third to fifth round of the draft this year was James Hird and Chris Grant special, and that Hurley was livid that we wouldn't let him be second banana to an equivalent to these guys sourced in those rounds.

Well that's it, someone start a change.org petition to get an extraordinary general meeting and get these clowns out.

[hujsh]

Re: Welcome to the WBFC - Declan Hamilton

[Twodogs]

Re: Welcome to the WBFC - Declan Hamilton

Ringers main point is correct. Typically these guys we give extensions to hoping they will come good don't usually come od.

But we've gotten development pretty right lately so I'm willing to back the coaches in if they think they see something in Hamilton.

[jeemak]

Re: Welcome to the WBFC - Declan Hamilton

I thought his main point was we've thrown away a premiership.

[soupman]

Re: Welcome to the WBFC - Declan Hamilton

Ringer is on a hiding to nothing. I think the examples were a mistake, although I think there are elements of his argument that check out.

I do think sometimes we hold onto players for far too long waiting to give them an opportunity to prove their worth for their spot on the list. I've previously posted about this issue with respect to picking up 18 year old ruckmen. In that case you are typically waiting atleast 4 seasons for their bodies to develop enough to make a fair judgement on whether or not they are indeed good enough. Ayce Cordy is the prime example. 7 seasons on the list, and only the last two were able to indicate to us fairly whether he was or wasn't good enough. In that time we could have turned over 3 ruckmen on 2 year contracts and be onto our 4th, or onto our 3rd if we gave each 3 years, either way greatly increasing our chances of snagging a better end product than Cordy.

I have enjoyed Beveridge's willingness to play the kids in his 2 seasons thus far. What it means is that with every player (aside from Hamilton and Fuller) getting a game in either their first or second season we get to see if they show any signs at the next level which makes our decision on their future a bit better informed. Every player still has to perform well enough at VFL level to earn a callup, hence Fuller never getting a chance, so it surprises me that Hamilton has not been given a go and I thought he was a chance this weekend or next. I expected him to be delisted in part because it seemed the mc hadn't played him at AFL level yet which indicated to me that there were doubts on his ability.

So in general I agree with Ringer's assessment that I have doubts that the opportunity cost of retaining Hamilton outweigh the potential benefits of giving him another year. I don't like the idea of giving a player multiple years for no results, the exception being longer term project players like JJ on the rookie list who show a continual rate of improvement. Hamilton may well fit in the project player category with his slight frame but I'd be hoping that if there aren't any signs of progress next year as in this year then we continue to turn the list over.

[Bornadog]

Re: Welcome to the WBFC - Declan Hamilton

Ayce Cordy is the prime example. 7 seasons on the list, and only the last two were able to indicate to us fairly whether he was or wasn't good enough. In that time we could have turned over 3 ruckmen on 2 year contracts and be onto our 4th, or onto our 3rd if we gave each 3 years, either way greatly increasing our chances of snagging a better end product than Cordy.

Maybe we did hold on to Ayce a bit too long, however, we know that tall lanky guys take a lot longer to develop. He also had lots of injury issues.