Jones Vs Stanley

[F'scary]

Geelong traded pick 21 to St Kilda for Stanley. We traded Jones to Carton for pick 46. Here's how the two players compare (click to enlarge table).

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The question I have is this:

Is Stanley worth that much more than Jones?

Your thoughts welcomed.

[jeemak]

Re: Jones Vs Stanley

I can only assume Stanley is seen as more versatile than Jones, and likely to improve his game in his two competencies in the coming years.

Jones has one competency, and a knock on his effort to achieve his potential in it. He also wanted to leave the club meaning our hands were tied.

To be fair though, I don't know enough about Stanley or seen enough of his game to make a judgement call. Would I have paid for pick 21 to get Stanley to our club? Probably not, my limited knowledge notwithstanding. Would I have been happy if we paid more than 46 to get Jones to our club having seen what I have seen of his game? No.

[F'scary]

Re: Jones Vs Stanley

Every StK supporter I have spoken to is laughing at Geelong. They all consider that Stanley is a complete spud that they originally acquired as a 3rd round draftee.

[bulldogtragic]

Re: Jones Vs Stanley

Circumstance, Jones was walking out no matter what. Our trade was very late on the last day from memory, if so, we tried to the end to get a better deal or keep him to no alas. If we thought he was going to get to Carlton in the PSD then we took the best offer. As for Geelong, they must see something that many punters don't.

[Mofra]

Re: Jones Vs Stanley

Ruck/forward is a very difficult position to play - those that do it even competently are often seen as 'spuds' even though they offer their team handy flexibility.

St Kilda did get slight overs for Stanley, Carlton paid unders for Jones.

[boydogs]

Re: Jones Vs Stanley

Ruck/forward is a very difficult position to play - those that do it even competently are often seen as 'spuds' even though they offer their team handy flexibility.

St Kilda did get slight overs for Stanley, Carlton paid unders for Jones.

Agree

[LostDoggy]

Re: Jones Vs Stanley

In the end he wanted to go.GOOD RIDDANCE I SAY!!! Had IMO a plethora amount of charmed chances to claim a permanent spot in the side and just could NOT, WOULDN'T or WAS UNABLE TO CLAIM THAT SPOT FOR HIMSELF.
IF AYCE DOSN'T DO SOMETHING THIS YEAR I FEAR HE WILL BE GONE TO!!!

[Greystache]

Re: Jones Vs Stanley

I don't think either is likely to make the grade.

Stanley is an athlete with minimal game sense, limited physicality, but has shown gradual improvement and seems to want to make it.

Jones has good hands and is quick, but is an appalling endurance athlete, has minimal game sense, and has shown minimal improvement or desire to do the hard things.

Stanley has more potential upside but Geelong paid well over for him.

[bulldogtragic]

Re: Jones Vs Stanley

I don't think either is likely to make the grade.

Stanley is an athlete with minimal game sense, limited physicality, but has shown gradual improvement and seems to want to make it.

Jones has good hands and is quick, but is an appalling endurance athlete, has minimal game sense, and has shown minimal improvement or desire to do the hard things.

Stanley has more potential upside but Geelong paid well over for him.

I wonder who is driving the athlete first policy down the road. It seems like a gamble to me and I can't help think that the coach isn't pushing it. Fine line between genius and insanity I guess...

[westdog54]

Re: Jones Vs Stanley

In the end he wanted to go.GOOD RIDDANCE I SAY!!! Had IMO a plethora amount of charmed chances to claim a permanent spot in the side and just could NOT, WOULDN'T or WAS UNABLE TO CLAIM THAT SPOT FOR HIMSELF.
IF AYCE DOSN'T DO SOMETHING THIS YEAR I FEAR HE WILL BE GONE TO!!!

I fail to see any comparison to Stanley here.

[GVGjr]

Re: Jones Vs Stanley

I don't think either is likely to make the grade.

Stanley is an athlete with minimal game sense, limited physicality, but has shown gradual improvement and seems to want to make it.

Jones has good hands and is quick, but is an appalling endurance athlete, has minimal game sense, and has shown minimal improvement or desire to do the hard things.

Stanley has more potential upside but Geelong paid well over for him.

Stanley is a spare parts player that gives them some coverage in a few positions and yes they paid a high price for him. He is more a bit more flexible than Jones.

[Twodogs]

Re: Jones Vs Stanley

I wonder who is driving the athlete first policy down the road. It seems like a gamble to me and I can't help think that the coach isn't pushing it. Fine line between genius and insanity I guess...

They got lucky with Blcavs and probably thought why not chance their arm with Stanley. If they can turn Stanley into a player pick 21 will be a bargain.

[jeemak]

Re: Jones Vs Stanley

I don't think either is likely to make the grade.

Stanley is an athlete with minimal game sense, limited physicality, but has shown gradual improvement and seems to want to make it.

Jones has good hands and is quick, but is an appalling endurance athlete, has minimal game sense, and has shown minimal improvement or desire to do the hard things.

Stanley has more potential upside but Geelong paid well over for him.

I guess it comes down to what they thought they needed at the time versus what they had to spend. If there was a whisper or something stronger that he wouldn't be available for a later pick that Geelong might have been able to secure then I suppose it's irrelevant whether any of us think they paid overs.

Only time will tell if they will benefit more from an untried player at pick 21 over time - which I suspect they would - or whether securing a thereabouts ruck/forward will help them stay in the top half of the ladder. My view on Geelong is they're sliding, and picks like this will only get in the way of them rebuilding properly (see North Melbourne over the past few years post their "kind of" bottoming out).

BT is right in a sense, Geelong it seems are walking on the fall side of a fine line with this one and I don't doubt are hoping he doesn't turn out to be a Peter Street pick for them (understand the only thing these two have in common is their trade price, just thought I'd bring it up to share some trade pain!)
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[Go_Dogs]

Re: Jones Vs Stanley

Interesting comparison.

I simply haven't seen enough of Stanley in recent times to cast any real judgment on his trade value, but on the face of it, it appears that Geelong have paid overs.

What Stanley has going for him though is his versatility, and that whilst Geelong have some similar players on the list, most have concerns of some kind. McIntosh is getting old, Vardy and Simpson have had injury troubles, Clark may or may not work out. Stanley has (to date) not got any injury concerns and seems to be on an upward trend still. He can play ruck, forward and all over the park really, with his running ability and was good for a goal a game last year.

Jones might yet get there and become a solid forward, but looking at who projects as having a better career, I'd give the chocolates to Stanley at the moment.

[G-Mo77]

Re: Jones Vs Stanley

Geelong paid overs for Stanley, Carlton got unders for Jones. Their value lies somewhere in between what each club gave up. Both are talented and young enough to turn around their careers so I think both clubs will be pleased to have them on their list.