Substitute Strategy 2015

[Bornadog]

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AFL is considering 23 players per team with a 'concussion sub' in place for the 2021 season

[Vred]

Re: Substitute

AFL is considering 23 players per team with a 'concussion sub' in place for the 2021 season

This should of been a rule years ago.

[Axe Man]

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AFL is considering 23 players per team with a 'concussion sub' in place for the 2021 season

If it comes in it will be interesting to see how the club approaches it.

Bevo's versatility mantra will come in handy as obviously you have no idea who may get concussed. The sub should be able to fill more than 1 role if required.

There would also need to be a rotation policy on the sub as hopefully they aren't required most weeks but may then miss out on playing all together that weekend depending when and where the AFL and VFL teams play.

[Bornadog]

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If it comes in it will be interesting to see how the club approaches it.

Bevo's versatility mantra will come in handy as obviously you have no idea who may get concussed. The sub should be able to fill more than 1 role if required.

There would also need to be a rotation policy on the sub as hopefully they aren't required most weeks but may then miss out on playing all together that weekend depending when and where the AFL and VFL teams play.

There will be no faking either as rule is concussed players miss the following week

[Grantysghost]

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If it comes in it will be interesting to see how the club approaches it.

Bevo's versatility mantra will come in handy as obviously you have no idea who may get concussed. The sub should be able to fill more than 1 role if required.

There would also need to be a rotation policy on the sub as hopefully they aren't required most weeks but may then miss out on playing all together that weekend depending when and where the AFL and VFL teams play.

Can't see it being abused either

GF day, Alex Keath does his groin in the first qtr we have Young as a sub.
Get him to run head first into the post "accidentally"

[comrade]

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I don't mind the idea but good of the AFL and their forward planning to put something like this on the table a week out from the season starting.

[Axe Man]

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I don't mind the idea but good of the AFL and their forward planning to put something like this on the table a week out from the season starting.

It's not the AFL putting it on the table, it's the coaches demanding it. Seems the AFL hadn't even considered it:

Coaches' concussion worry sparks push for 23rd player

THE AFL is strongly considering a request from some coaches to use a substitute player to replace a concussed teammate in 2021 matches.

AFL.com.au has learnt that the initiative was one of many raised by coaches during an at-times tense meeting with AFL CEO Gillon McLachlan and football department boss Steve Hocking on Thursday morning, as part of the AFL's wider approach to health and safety.

While several parties, including the AFL Players Association and AFL Medical Officers Association, will need to approve of the change, some coaches are convinced it will be formalised within days.

The mooted change would need to be officially approved by the AFL Commission before Thursday's night's Richmond-Carlton season-opening match at the MCG.

Already the AFL has ruled for the 2021 season that a player cannot return to playing inside 12 days after suffering concussion.

Coaches have asked for a additional 23rd player to be the concussion sub. Currently, each team is comprised of 18 on-field players and four interchange.

In the fiery meeting on Thursday, some coaches sought to have interchange rotations increased from the legislated 75 as a means to deal with loss of a concussed player within a match.

[Bornadog]

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Any rule changes to protect players, I am all for. Great initiative by coaches. Hocking hasn't the brains to think of this.

BUT

Let's see if they extend this to being back to a sub like previously? I hope not.

[Axe Man]

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Any rule changes to protect players, I am all for. Great initiative by coaches. Hocking hasn't the brains to think of this.

BUT

Let's see if they extend this to being back to a sub like previously? I hope not.

Do we know how many concussions Steve suffered during his career? Could explain a bit.

[comrade]

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I hate the idea of subs if it means younger players are being kept out of the VFL side to sit on the pine which will stunt their development. I don't mind it if we use it smartly, and have a mature player like Duryea for example.

[soupman]

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Why just a concussion sub? Why not a full all encompassing injury sub?

I'm sorry but aside from the optics "Oh we are taking concussion so seriously" it makes no sense why you would have someone ready to go on the off chance someone gets concussed (guessing one, maybe two players a round?).

[GVGjr]

Re: Substitute

AFL is considering 23 players per team with a 'concussion sub' in place for the 2021 season

While in principle I'm or for it, I don't think it should be just for players with concussion unless the AFL has strong evidence that clubs are fudging the AFL concussion protocols and I don't think that is the case.
If the protocols for concussion tests are as solid as they should be why is it that only concussed players can be replaced? Why not players who have done a knee, popped a shoulder or ripped a hammy?

I actually think 3 interchange players and a genuine sub for whatever reason was working the way it was designed
4 and a genuine sub will work as well and it will take all the speculation away from if a club has worked it's way around the system

[GVGjr]

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Why just a concussion sub? Why not a full all encompassing injury sub?

I'm sorry but aside from the optics "Oh we are taking concussion so seriously" it makes no sense why you would have someone ready to go on the off chance someone gets concussed (guessing one, maybe two players a round?).

Spot on Soup
Is there admission by the AFL that the protocols aren't being followed?

[Bornadog]

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While in principle I'm or for it, I don't think it should be just for players with concussion unless the AFL has strong evidence that clubs are fudging the AFL concussion protocols and I don't think that is the case.
If the protocols for concussion tests are as solid as they should be why is it that only concussed players can be replaced? Why not players who have done a knee, popped a shoulder or ripped a hammy?

I actually think 3 interchange players and a genuine sub for whatever reason was working the way it was designed
4 and a genuine sub will work as well and it will take all the speculation away from if a club has worked it's way around the system

Concussion protocols now mean a player misses next week, so fudging doesn't help, or is not wise.

[GVGjr]

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Concussion protocols now mean a player misses next week, so fudging doesn't help, or is not wise.

12 days isn't it?
But why would it be only a player with concussion that should be replaced?
Do we have more game ending occurrences with concussion than anything else?