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  • hujsh
    Hall of Fame
    • Nov 2007
    • 11960

    #31
    Re: Likely retirements this year (all clubs)

    Originally posted by jerry
    I think thats Dancin douggy's point. We do need a solid contribution from Wayde, its TIME to deliver.
    I agree but i doubt that is his point.
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]

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    • Bulldog Revolution
      Coaching Staff
      • Dec 2006
      • 3933

      #32
      Re: Likely retirements this year (all clubs)

      Originally posted by hujsh
      He's 24 so he could have 7 or more years in him. If he at least becomes dangerous and does better that Minson and Wight then we would likely keep him. 25-30 goals at least makes him useful for if say Jarryd Grant plays a match. If you don't think he can do that then fine but don't insult us.
      Big guys do take longer to develop and Skipper really has seemed to respond to Eade. In some ways its a real shame he made such slow progress the first 3 years he was on the list. The past two off seasons appear to have been the best of his career. I thought during a very difficult 2007 where he did not get to play seniors until late in the year, he made every post a winner in his appearances, and I really respected the contribution he made.

      Even though he hasn't run yet post the foot injury talks are that he is in very good nick.

      I dont expect him to become something he is not, but if he can get his aerobic fitness up and improve his second efforts we know that he is already a fine kick, a handy backup ruckman with the ability to palm the ball deftly.

      Its up to him, but he is a guy with a few positives

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      • Dancin' Douggy
        WOOF Member
        • Oct 2007
        • 2877

        #33
        Re: Likely retirements this year (all clubs)

        [QUOTE=hujsh;27579]Who says you can't start a thread?

        How can you chose to compare Skipper with Nick Riewoldt, Alan Didak, Shaun Burgoyne, Daniel Kerr,Adam Mcphee, and Graham Johncock. Comparing someone we want service out of with some of the classiest players in the AFL is not fair to him.

        You're right. comparing Wayde Skipper to good players is unfair. I apologise

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        • hujsh
          Hall of Fame
          • Nov 2007
          • 11960

          #34
          Re: Likely retirements this year (all clubs)

          Originally posted by Dancin' Douggy

          You're right. comparing Wayde Skipper to good players is unfair. I apologise
          Ok lol. But they really are the cream
          [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]

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          • Bulldog Revolution
            Coaching Staff
            • Dec 2006
            • 3933

            #35
            Re: Likely retirements this year (all clubs)

            Originally posted by hujsh
            Ok lol. But they really are the cream
            Probably Guy Richards who was selected in the same draft late is the fairest comparison

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            • LostDoggy
              WOOF Member
              • Jan 2007
              • 8307

              #36
              Re: Likely retirements this year (all clubs)

              Originally posted by Bulldog Revolution
              Probably Guy Richards who was selected in the same draft late is the fairest comparison
              Guy Richards the bench mark? I know what you mean, but Wayde wouldnt of last 7yrs at West Coast. Maybe thats why its been 54 yrs

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              • Dancin' Douggy
                WOOF Member
                • Oct 2007
                • 2877

                #37
                Re: Likely retirements this year (all clubs)

                OK. The point I'm trying to make is that players drafted in 2000 have either made it by now or they are delisted. All players I named are from the same draft. If Skip was drafted by any other team I doubt he would still be on their senior list.
                Let's compare him to the next rung down of the cream from the 2000 draft. I'm certainly not over impressed with the following............

                Kayne Pettifer 103 games 123 goals
                Simon Wiggins 89 games 20 goals
                Drew Petrie 131 games 111 goals
                Luke Ablett 98 games 28 goals
                Chris Hyde 82 games 31 goals

                These are hardly the cream but they all are light years ahead of skipper as far as tangible contributions go. I mean even Simon Wiggins has played more than twice the number of games. How many dogs supporters would be happy if we traded for Simon Wiggins? It would take a miraculous transformation after years of mediocrity for Skipper to contribute anything to our cause, and history says miraculous transformations are very very rare. As a passionate member I would be over the moon if Skipper turned it on, and I'm not one to yell abuse from the stands, but surely we're allowed open analysis on woof?

                P.S. I've received messages about starting new posts but for some reason I just can't get them to open.
                I'm on a mac if that explains anything

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                • GVGjr
                  Moderator
                  • Nov 2006
                  • 45526

                  #38
                  Re: Likely retirements this year (all clubs)

                  Originally posted by jerry
                  Guy Richards the bench mark? I know what you mean, but Wayde wouldnt of last 7yrs at West Coast. Maybe thats why its been 54 yrs
                  How long was Josh Wooden maintained on the list?
                  Like it or not, we had injury problems with Minson and Street and Darcy was well down on form. Skipper wasn't a bad option as a support ruckman.
                  Now that we heave a healthy Minson and Street plus Hudson, Skipper needs to make it on his ability to play a key position. It will be his last season at the club if he doesn't.
                  Western Bulldogs Football Club "Where it's cool to drool"

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                  • LostDoggy
                    WOOF Member
                    • Jan 2007
                    • 8307

                    #39
                    Re: Likely retirements this year (all clubs)

                    Originally posted by GVGjr
                    How long was Josh Wooden maintained on the list?
                    Like it or not, we had injury problems with Minson and Street and Darcy was well down on form. Skipper wasn't a bad option as a support ruckman.
                    Now that we heave a healthy Minson and Street plus Hudson, Skipper needs to make it on his ability to play a key position. It will be his last season at the club if he doesn't.
                    Josh Wooden wasnt a bad player. Everytime they bought him in he did a good job. Hard to get a regular gig in the WCE midfield (Kemp, matera, cousins,judd,kerr etc). He wouldnt be far behind Matthew Boyd as a player.
                    The thing about Skipper is when he gets a game he cant be relied on. Even the game when he kicked 5 against Geelong, he only took one decent mark. The other goals were bumbling or 'lucky' goals. Dont get me wrong, i would love to see Wayde play consistent AFL, but i think its beyond him

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                    • Sockeye Salmon
                      Bulldog Team of the Century
                      • Jan 2007
                      • 6365

                      #40
                      Re: Likely retirements this year (all clubs)

                      Originally posted by jerry
                      Josh Wooden wasnt a bad player. Everytime they bought him in he did a good job. Hard to get a regular gig in the WCE midfield (Kemp, matera, cousins,judd,kerr etc). He wouldnt be far behind Matthew Boyd as a player.
                      The thing about Skipper is when he gets a game he cant be relied on. Even the game when he kicked 5 against Geelong, he only took one decent mark. The other goals were bumbling or 'lucky' goals. Dont get me wrong, i would love to see Wayde play consistent AFL, but i think its beyond him
                      You are comparing Josh Wooden with Matthew Boyd?

                      **** off.

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                      • LostDoggy
                        WOOF Member
                        • Jan 2007
                        • 8307

                        #41
                        Re: Likely retirements this year (all clubs)

                        Originally posted by Sockeye Salmon
                        You are comparing Josh Wooden with Matthew Boyd?

                        **** off.
                        Boyd is no star. Good honest player. Wooden wasnt a hack, he was an honest tryer. I said he wasnt far behind Boyd. I think thats a fair assessment
                        You disagree?

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                        • LostDoggy
                          WOOF Member
                          • Jan 2007
                          • 8307

                          #42
                          Re: Likely retirements this year (all clubs)

                          Sadly i think Lloyd might hang up the boots. The last of the traditional Full Forwards.

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                          • GVGjr
                            Moderator
                            • Nov 2006
                            • 45526

                            #43
                            Re: Likely retirements this year (all clubs)

                            Originally posted by jerry
                            Boyd is no star. Good honest player. Wooden wasnt a hack, he was an honest tryer. I said he wasnt far behind Boyd. I think thats a fair assessment
                            You disagree?

                            Boyd a bit better than a good honest player but Wooden was a fair few steps behind him.
                            Western Bulldogs Football Club "Where it's cool to drool"

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                            • Bulldog Revolution
                              Coaching Staff
                              • Dec 2006
                              • 3933

                              #44
                              Re: Likely retirements this year (all clubs)

                              Originally posted by GVGjr
                              Boyd a bit better than a good honest player but Wooden was a fair few steps behind him.
                              I would have thought Boyd was a better player than Wooden, although I was surprised to see Wooden played 96 games for them

                              West Coast persisted with Wooden, Callum Chambers and Jaxon Crabb for many years.

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