Milesi to depart the Bulldogs

[Axe Man]

Hopefully we have the money and the process in place to find solid replacements for both him and Power. You can't cheap this part of football operations out......

I'm slightly concerned around the wording of Power still being involved in list management that we aren't going to fully replace his role. Clearly we were already interviewing recruiters to replace Dan Fisher but now we need a head recruiter as well.

[Bornadog]

I'm slightly concerned around the wording of Power still being involved in list management that we aren't going to fully replace his role. Clearly we were already interviewing recruiters to replace Dan Fisher but now we need a head recruiter as well.

I read it the same way, ie that Sam will still dabble in List Management. Maybe he was also involved in the recruiting side too much and he will step back from that.

[soupman]

I read it the same way, ie that Sam will still dabble in List Management. Maybe he was also involved in the recruiting side too much and he will step back from that.

How time consuming is the list manager role? Like it's clearly a signigicant role but how much can you actually do with a squad of 40, most of whom are already signed, and a pool of maybe 1000 AFL prospectish players, including the guys already in the league.

Sure there are heaps of guys that are doing it as a full time role, but what does their week/year even look like?

Surely the requirements are something like this:
-A week in the pre-season to consider what contracts are coming up and how best to allocate the appropriate money to each of them
-Maybe a couple of days a month for the negotiation of said current player contracts
-Maybe 5 different days dedicated to meetings and discussion about the last SSP place, and watching candidates train/play/footage
-A week mid season to assess what the list needs look like being for next season onwards
-A week preceding MSD to discuss and review player candidates and what type you are targeting
-Maybe a week to meet prospective MSD candidates (surely most of this is phone calls but if they wanted to fly out this is the time for it)
-A week late season to discuss future contracts with current players and assess list needs going forward
-A couple of weeks late season formalising offers to other clubs players and meeting/schmoozing them
-A solid month before and during trade period figuring all the machinations of that out in concert with executing the other list decisions
-A solid month preceding draft discussing strategy, meeting players and reviewing prospects in concert with the recruiting team

Like thats not nothing, but its maybe 120 days a year. I get how recruiting is watching a lot of game stuff, which is time consuming, and maybe the list manager does that the rest of the time.

Am I way off with these estimates? Does anyone know what it actually looks like? Is it pretty chill most of the year and then a bit hectic around trade/draft time? How much time can they put into the same discussions?

[mjp]

How time consuming is the list manager role? Like it's clearly a signigicant role but how much can you actually do with a squad of 40, most of whom are already signed, and a pool of maybe 1000 AFL prospectish players, including the guys already in the league.

Sure there are heaps of guys that are doing it as a full time role, but what does their week/year even look like?

Surely the requirements are something like this:
-A week in the pre-season to consider what contracts are coming up and how best to allocate the appropriate money to each of them
-Maybe a couple of days a month for the negotiation of said current player contracts
-Maybe 5 different days dedicated to meetings and discussion about the last SSP place, and watching candidates train/play/footage
-A week mid season to assess what the list needs look like being for next season onwards
-A week preceding MSD to discuss and review player candidates and what type you are targeting
-Maybe a week to meet prospective MSD candidates (surely most of this is phone calls but if they wanted to fly out this is the time for it)
-A week late season to discuss future contracts with current players and assess list needs going forward
-A couple of weeks late season formalising offers to other clubs players and meeting/schmoozing them
-A solid month before and during trade period figuring all the machinations of that out in concert with executing the other list decisions
-A solid month preceding draft discussing strategy, meeting players and reviewing prospects in concert with the recruiting team

Like thats not nothing, but its maybe 120 days a year. I get how recruiting is watching a lot of game stuff, which is time consuming, and maybe the list manager does that the rest of the time.

Am I way off with these estimates? Does anyone know what it actually looks like? Is it pretty chill most of the year and then a bit hectic around trade/draft time? How much time can they put into the same discussions?

I think you're pretty off base because of the sheer quantity of time it's going to take to maintain contract details of every listed AFL player and maintain some kind of 'club specific' ratings system for them all...
- Then you're trying to maintain some kind of 'bank' of info of MSD and Draft prospects who could be candidates and somehow rating them...

...and overlaying all of that with the ratings and contracts of your current squad.

I don't know...I think it would be a massive under-taking.

[Mofra]

I think you're pretty off base because of the sheer quantity of time it's going to take to maintain contract details of every listed AFL player and maintain some kind of 'club specific' ratings system for them all...

IIRC clubs do rate every playing in the comp - there was a big of hand wringing at the time Essendon had part of their intel leaked and everyone at that club was looking for "the mole".

I remember the instructions for Gary Ablett Jnr were something like "do not try to tackle him, just corale him and get him to release the football".

[D Mitchell]

It should.
The job Sam Power currently has is big enough without it being split.
Miles should be proud of what he achieved with us.

It's a pity the Club so under rated Dom that it didn't even pay him enough to buy razor blades. Very sorry he's leaving because his journey verges on inspirational, our recruiting under Dom and Sam has been so good.

[D Mitchell]

The only thing you get as the CEO of a Victorian football league that you don't get as a national recruiter is travel avoidance. He's going to be more time poor in his upcoming role, most likely.

This still seems to me pretty obvious he wasn't the guy to head up our list management department, and that's OK. He's done a job pretty well and should be commended for it.

Hopefully we have the money and the process in place to find solid replacements for both him and Power. You can't cheap this part of football operations out......

Is Sam leaving, too ?

[hujsh]

Is Sam leaving, too ?

Sam was promoted to Grant's role. So we need to replace the Power in his old spot.

[Grantysghost]

Is Sam leaving, too ?

Promoted to Chris Grant's former role.

[jazzadogs]

I was speaking to a friend in the industry and they mentioned that they wouldn't be surprised if Milesi's reevaluation of his job and life priorities was spurred on by the passing of Chris Toce, the Richmond recruiting manager who was a friend of Dom's.

I hope that the new role meets whatever goals Dom has for it, and he is happy.

[D Mitchell]

Promoted to Chris Grant's former role.

Michael (Dom) and Kevin (Sam). A couple of blokes of decency and the highest moral integrity. Their respective sons look to have at least equalled their fathers. Thanks Dom and Sam.

[jeemak]

Michael (Dom) and Kevin (Sam). A couple of blokes of decency and the highest moral integrity. Their respective sons look to have at least equalled their fathers. Thanks Dom and Sam.

In my late junior and then ammo days I'd bump into Luke and his dad here and there, and both were really nice (I barely knew Luke from the brief time we were both at Chargers). Didn't know Sam, but always seemed like a genuinely nice family.

[D Mitchell]

In my late junior and then ammo days I'd bump into Luke and his dad here and there, and both were really nice (I barely knew Luke from the brief time we were both at Chargers). Didn't know Sam, but always seemed like a genuinely nice family.

Kevin boasts that Sam's a descendant of Harry Power, bushranger, from the late 19th century, a touch after Ned. This is the sort of genealogy / DNS y that's missing from the Club. Kevin did alright with Monash then with North Old Boys (his father played a few with Melbourne) under Bob Spurling, who played a few games at half forward in the late '60s. Character is everything in life.

[jeemak]

Kevin boasts that Sam's a descendant of Harry Power, bushranger, from the late 19th century, a touch after Ned. This is the sort of genealogy / DNS y that's missing from the Club. Kevin did alright with Monash then with North Old Boys (his father played a few with Melbourne) under Bob Spurling, who played a few games at half forward in the late '60s. Character is everything in life.

Dunno if Irish criminality DNA is exactly what's missing but you do you.

[GVGjr]

Callum Twomey
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The Western Bulldogs have appointed Luke Williams as a recruiter. The former Cats, Blues and Tigers recruiter will leave his role as Western Jets talent manager to replace Dan Fisher, who is now the Dogs' AFLW list boss. Dogs will still need to replace head recruiter Dom Milesi.