With Dogs so menacing, who needs Barry Hall?

[Mantis]

Re: With Dogs so menacing, who needs Barry Hall?

What CHF has towelled us up?

Are there any CHF's any more?

The only key forward who has gotten off the leash this year has been Riewoldt, but his bad kicking meant that he didn't hurt us on the scoreboard.

[Missing Dog]

Re: With Dogs so menacing, who needs Barry Hall?

What CHF has towelled us up?

How well do we match up on the two-pronged attacks such as these:

Brown and Bradshaw
Reiwoldt and Kozzie
Franklin and Roughhead
Cloke and Rocca
Lloyd and Lucas?
Mooney and Hawkins/Ottens

If our midfield is on top, as it was against hawthorn-who are carrying a few injuries- we can cut off the supply. If not...

We need another tall at the back.

[AndrewP6]

Re: With Dogs so menacing, who needs Barry Hall?

How well do we match up on the two-pronged attacks such as these:

Brown and Bradshaw
Reiwoldt and Kozzie
Franklin and Roughhead
Cloke and Rocca
Lloyd and Lucas?
Mooney and Hawkins/Ottens

If our midfield is on top, as it was against hawthorn-who are carrying a few injuries- we can cut off the supply. If not...

We need another tall at the back.

Rocca's just about done, isn't he?

[Happy Days]

Re: With Dogs so menacing, who needs Barry Hall?

How well do we match up on the two-pronged attacks such as these:

Brown and Bradshaw
Reiwoldt and Kozzie
Franklin and Roughhead
Cloke and Rocca
Lloyd and Lucas?
Mooney and Hawkins/Ottens

If our midfield is on top, as it was against hawthorn-who are carrying a few injuries- we can cut off the supply. If not...

We need another tall at the back.

You can't discredit the job Brian did on Buddy. It's not like the ball went no where near him; there were still several one-on-one contests where Brian completley destroyed him. Buddy still had the supply to kick 5 or so.

As per your request, our other tall defender, Tom Williams, will be back shortly. That bloke Morris doesn't go too badly on the gorillas either.

[Missing Dog]

Re: With Dogs so menacing, who needs Barry Hall?

Rocca's just about done, isn't he?

IF he gets his fitness back, he's still hard to match up on.

What about the others?

[Sockeye Salmon]

Re: With Dogs so menacing, who needs Barry Hall?

IF he gets his fitness back, he's still hard to match up on.

What about the others?

Earlier this year Mick Malthouse said privately that he thinks Rocca is finished and wouldn't see the season out.

[Missing Dog]

Re: With Dogs so menacing, who needs Barry Hall?

You can't discredit the job Brian did on Buddy. It's not like the ball went no where near him; there were still several one-on-one contests where Brian completley destroyed him. Buddy still had the supply to kick 5 or so.

As per your request, our other tall defender, Tom Williams, will be back shortly. That bloke Morris doesn't go too badly on the gorillas either.

Lake did well. But Buddy also had a shocker all of his own doing. He's confidence is shot at the moment.

Williams injury record is my concern.

Morris is a GREAT defender, all-Australian IMHO. But he gives away a bit in height. Against a strong effective midfield, he's job is that much tougher.

[AndrewP6]

Re: With Dogs so menacing, who needs Barry Hall?

IF he gets his fitness back, he's still hard to match up on.

What about the others?

A big 'if'... I reckon he won't play again. Kosi and Riewoldt we've done alright against recently, this year maybe a different proposition, but the Saints are different right across the field. Brown/Bradshaw - I think our current backs can take them. Lloyd and Lucas - I think our midfield can get on top of theirs, negating their two bigs.
Hawkins, as many have suggested, hasn't shown much... Ottens is doubtful to play, at least in the short term.

[Missing Dog]

Re: With Dogs so menacing, who needs Barry Hall?

A big 'if'... I reckon he won't play again. Kosi and Riewoldt we've done alright against recently, this year maybe a different proposition, but the Saints are different right across the field. Brown/Bradshaw - I think our current backs can take them. Lloyd and Lucas - I think our midfield can get on top of theirs, negating their two bigs.
Hawkins, as many have suggested, hasn't shown much... Ottens is doubtful to play, at least in the short term.

Fair enough. But I'm still not convinced, i think if Williams can get right then that problem is soleved, otherwise i think we're a lacking one tall backman. Just my opinion.

Getting back to Hall, I think he does take cheap shots, and he picks who he hits. I can remember a match in Sydney when he went up for a mark near the boundary and Chris Grant came over the top of him to punch it out of play, but in so doing he caught the back of Hall's head with upper arm/elbow. Not intentional ofcourse, but Hall didn't like it and quickly swung around to see who'd given him the knock, looked like he was gonna go on with it till he realised it was Granty, so instead bowed his head and just moved on..

[Desipura]

Re: With Dogs so menacing, who needs Barry Hall?

Fair enough. But I'm still not convinced, i think if Williams can get right then that problem is soleved, otherwise i think we're a lacking one tall backman. Just my opinion.

Getting back to Hall, I think he does take cheap shots, and he picks who he hits. I can remember a match in Sydney when he went up for a mark near the boundary and Chris Grant came over the top of him to punch it out of play, but in so doing he caught the back of Hall's head with upper arm/elbow. Not intentional ofcourse, but Hall didn't like it and quickly swung around to see who'd given him the knock, looked like he was gonna go on with it till he realised it was Granty, so instead bowed his head and just moved on..

Perhaps when he saw it was Grant, he showed respect by not hitting the great man.

[Missing Dog]

Re: With Dogs so menacing, who needs Barry Hall?

Perhaps when he saw it was Grant, he showed respect by not hitting the great man.

Seriously I have no doubt about that. Can you imagine what a tool he would have looked taking a swing at Granty.

[Sedat]

Re: With Dogs so menacing, who needs Barry Hall?

IF he gets his fitness back, he's still hard to match up on.

Apparently he's been working on this since 1995. Even today, one long lead just about sees him out for the day - he will be punting in the States as soon as he is out of contract.

[Sockeye Salmon]

Re: With Dogs so menacing, who needs Barry Hall?

Seriously I have no doubt about that. Can you imagine what a tool he would have looked taking a swing at Granty.

A few years back Hall nearly belted Chris into next week.

The next marking contest Shaggy came in and just about knocked Hall's head off his shoulders. Got away with it, too.

[AndrewP6]

Re: With Dogs so menacing, who needs Barry Hall?

Chris Grant came over the top of him to punch it out of play, but in so doing he caught the back of Hall's head with upper arm/elbow. Not intentional ofcourse, but Hall didn't like it and quickly swung around to see who'd given him the knock, looked like he was gonna go on with it till he realised it was Granty, so instead bowed his head and just moved on..

See, he's a smart bloke!

[Bornadog]

Re: With Dogs so menacing, who needs Barry Hall?

Agree with Higgins we don't need another ageing forward just because they have some height.

Our style of play has enabled us to kick more goals than any other team (maybe not Geelong) in the past 5 years, yes the past five years.

If we do have talls in the forward line, they have to be agile and run fast (ala Grant and Ayce), in other words, play like smalls but have the height to jump for big marks. Hall is an old fashion full forward and the AFL has moved on from those type of guys.