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  • The Coon Dog
    Bulldog Team of the Century
    • Jan 2007
    • 7579

    #1

    AFL floats crackdown on league's fakers

    By Luke Holmesby 5:35 PM Tue 13 October, 2009

    PLAYERS staging for free kicks could be penalised as a result of an AFL review of the tribunal.

    The AFL has written to all 16 clubs as part of a review of the tribunal in a bid to obtain feedback on eight major points, with one of the biggest talking points sure to be fines for staging.

    Football operations manager Adrian Anderson contacted the clubs to get their feedback on the tribunal this year.

    Article in full...

    The topics up for discussion are:

    1. Misconduct Staging. Should players face a financial sanction for obvious staging?

    2. Umpire Contact. The 2009 year saw 28 players charged for making Negligent/Reckless/ Intentional Contact with an Umpire. A number of players continue to set up behind the umpire. Are the current sanctions adequate?

    3. Player prior Record. The maximum loading a player can receive for offences during the past three AFL years is capped at 50 per cent. Should a player who has been suspended for more than five matches in the previous three years, face a higher loading than 50 per cent?

    4. Brownlow Eligibility. Players are currently ineligible for the Brownlow Medal if they are found guilty of an offence if the base points are 100 or more. The consequence of this is that many players who can accept reprimands (eg for an offence worth 125 points) are deemed ineligible for the Brownlow even though they have not been suspended. 125 points will usually be applicable only in cases where the offence is at the lower end of the scale. There is no proposal to change the requirement that the Brownlow is an award for the “Best and Fairest”. Is it appropriate however to permit players found guilty of offences worth 125 points (for which they could usually accept a reprimand with a guilty plea) to remain eligible for the Brownlow Medal? Should a player who has not been suspended be deemed ineligible for the Brownlow Medal?

    5. Misconduct for making unnecessary and unreasonable contact to the face.
    Such contact to an opponent’s face has been viewed seriously in the past due to the need to protect player’s eyes and the damage done to the image and reputation of the game by players making unreasonable or unnecessary contact to the face of an opponent. The penalty is currently equivalent to Rough Conduct and Charging. Are the current sanctions appropriate?

    6. Sling Tackles. Should we deal more strictly with dangerous sling tackles?

    7. Jury Members.
    Would it be more beneficial to have a regular panel of three (3) Jury Members each week where available or is the rotation system more appropriate?

    8. Intra Club Matches.
    Should incidents from Intra Club Matches be dealt with under the AFL Tribunal System?
    [COLOR="Red"][B][U][COLOR="Blue"]85, 92, 97, 98, 08, 09, 10... Break the curse![/COLOR][/U][/B][/COLOR]
  • bulldogtragic
    The List Manager
    • Jan 2007
    • 34289

    #2
    Re: AFL floats crackdown on league's fakers

    Meh.

    If Riewoldt was given a legitimate free kick because "it was there", then no-one will ever be charged with 'diving'. So why waste everyone's time talking about it!!! You shouldn't change the game unless there's a problem, so until the AFL or umpires department come out and say there's a problem (which they have NOT, and as they had the perfect opportunity to do, and as soccer has done) then it need not be addresseded. It's all moot and lipservice. Just what we need, another un-enforcible rule so they can give lipservice to the fans who are watching the game turn into crap.
    Rocket Science: the epitaph for the Beveridge era - whenever it ends - reading 'Here lies a team that could beat anyone on its day, but seldom did when it mattered most'. 15/7/2023

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    • Sockeye Salmon
      Bulldog Team of the Century
      • Jan 2007
      • 6365

      #3
      Re: AFL floats crackdown on league's fakers

      How about:

      No
      No
      No
      No
      No
      No
      No and
      No

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      • EasternWest
        Hall of Fame
        • Aug 2009
        • 10119

        #4
        Re: AFL floats crackdown on league's fakers

        Originally posted by bulldogtragic
        Meh.

        If Riewoldt was given a legitimate free kick because "it was there", then no-one will ever be charged with 'diving'. So why waste everyone's time talking about it!!! You shouldn't change the game unless there's a problem, so until the AFL or umpires department come out and say there's a problem (which they have NOT, and as they had the perfect opportunity to do, and as soccer has done) then it need not be addresseded. It's all moot and lipservice. Just what we need, another un-enforcible rule so they can give lipservice to the fans who are watching the game turn into crap.
        Bingo!
        "It's over. It's all over."

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        • boydogs
          WOOF Member
          • Apr 2009
          • 5845

          #5
          Re: AFL floats crackdown on league's fakers

          Originally posted by Sockeye Salmon
          How about:

          No
          No
          No
          No
          No
          No
          No and
          No
          Originally posted by The Coon Dog
          2. Umpire Contact.
          Are the current sanctions adequate?

          4. Brownlow Eligibility.
          Should a player who has not been suspended be deemed ineligible for the Brownlow Medal?

          5. Misconduct for making unnecessary and unreasonable contact to the face.
          Are the current sanctions appropriate?
          I guess that means you want to make a change on points 2, 4 and 5
          If you kicked five goals and Tom Boyd kicked five goals, Tom Boyd kicked more goals than you.

          Formerly gogriff

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          • chef
            Hall of Fame
            • Nov 2008
            • 14746

            #6
            Re: AFL floats crackdown on league's fakers

            Originally posted by The Coon Dog
            6. Sling Tackles. Should we deal more strictly with dangerous sling tackles?
            Yes for me as I don't like these.
            The curse is dead.

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            • Sockeye Salmon
              Bulldog Team of the Century
              • Jan 2007
              • 6365

              #7
              Re: AFL floats crackdown on league's fakers

              Originally posted by gogriff
              I guess that means you want to make a change on points 2, 4 and 5
              I never even read them properly, I just assumed that if the AFL wanted it, it must be bad so I'm against it.

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              • LostDoggy
                WOOF Member
                • Jan 2007
                • 8307

                #8
                Re: AFL floats crackdown on league's fakers

                1. Misconduct Staging. Should players face a financial sanction for obvious staging?


                Look out Brent Harvey!!!!

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                • hujsh
                  Hall of Fame
                  • Nov 2007
                  • 11960

                  #9
                  Re: AFL floats crackdown on league's fakers

                  Originally posted by Suz 32
                  1. Misconduct Staging. Should players face a financial sanction for obvious staging?


                  Look out Brent Harvey!!!!
                  And Johnno
                  [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]

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                  • EasternWest
                    Hall of Fame
                    • Aug 2009
                    • 10119

                    #10
                    Re: AFL floats crackdown on league's fakers

                    And Joel Selwood. Even Hitler knows he ducks his head.
                    "It's over. It's all over."

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                    • LostDoggy
                      WOOF Member
                      • Jan 2007
                      • 8307

                      #11
                      Re: AFL floats crackdown on league's fakers

                      Even if they don't implement any new rules, it means that the umpires will interpret these points differently from now.

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                      • Missing-Dog
                        WOOF Member
                        • Jan 2007
                        • 3102

                        #12
                        Re: AFL floats crackdown on league's fakers

                        Originally posted by dfa4pm
                        And Joel Selwood. Even Hitler knows he ducks his head.
                        Funny

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                        • AndrewP6
                          Bulldog Team of the Century
                          • Jan 2009
                          • 8142

                          #13
                          Re: AFL floats crackdown on league's fakers

                          Originally posted by The Coon Dog

                          1. Misconduct Staging. Should players face a financial sanction for obvious staging?

                          2. Umpire Contact. The 2009 year saw 28 players charged for making Negligent/Reckless/ Intentional Contact with an Umpire. A number of players continue to set up behind the umpire. Are the current sanctions adequate?

                          3. Player prior Record. The maximum loading a player can receive for offences during the past three AFL years is capped at 50 per cent. Should a player who has been suspended for more than five matches in the previous three years, face a higher loading than 50 per cent?

                          4. Brownlow Eligibility. Is it appropriate however to permit players found guilty of offences worth 125 points (for which they could usually accept a reprimand with a guilty plea) to remain eligible for the Brownlow Medal? Should a player who has not been suspended be deemed ineligible for the Brownlow Medal?
                          [B]
                          5. Misconduct for making unnecessary and unreasonable contact to the face. Are the current sanctions appropriate?

                          6. Sling Tackles. Should we deal more strictly with dangerous sling tackles?

                          7. Jury Members.
                          Would it be more beneficial to have a regular panel of three (3) Jury Members each week where available or is the rotation system more appropriate?

                          8. Intra Club Matches.
                          Should incidents from Intra Club Matches be dealt with under the AFL Tribunal System?
                          My responses, in order

                          1. Yes, and while we're at it, make the Saints pony up retrospectively - it'd fill the coffers instantly!
                          2. Yes - a fine is fine, if they must..
                          3. No - they've served their time.
                          4. No and yes..(there were two questions!). I reckon if the tribunal finds you guilty, you shouldn't be able to win a "Best and Fairest"... if you've been found to have committed an infringement that is reportable, you're not fairest.
                          5. Yes - let's not get too carried away.
                          6. No, just do it consistently!
                          7. Rotate them...don't know why, just seems the right option
                          8. No - the Kangaroo Court would be better. In our club's situation, put the offending player in the ring with Bazza. That'd sort 'em out!
                          [B][COLOR="#0000CD"]Our club was born in blood and boots, not in AFL focus groups.[/COLOR][/B]

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                          • LostDoggy
                            WOOF Member
                            • Jan 2007
                            • 8307

                            #14
                            Re: AFL floats crackdown on league's fakers

                            Yes, the entire St Kilda football squad needs to look out for number 1 right there.
                            They were diving all over the shop during the GF.

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                            • LostDoggy
                              WOOF Member
                              • Jan 2007
                              • 8307

                              #15
                              Re: AFL floats crackdown on league's fakers

                              Wait.

                              So when it actually did happen they said 'Riewoldt didn't dive, there's no problem there, what's all the fuss about'.

                              Then six weeks later they release a bloody novel detailing how they're going to deal with diving, when they went to great lengths to convince everyone it doesn't happen.

                              What the?

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