Sam Newman, Garry Lyon face Supreme Court grilling in Susan Alberti defamation suit

[Scraggers]

Re: Sam Newman, Garry Lyon face Supreme Court grilling in Susan Alberti defamation su

I was amazed at the comments this thread received and as a female did not comment as I agreed with what Susan was doing and as a minority felt that my comments would not be received well - I think that Sam and the Footy show think they can do what they like. Susan is a business women who had a reputation to up hold.

She has won her case and settled outside of court - Herald Sun website claims she got $220,000 plus court costs.

This is a good result for women and also men as people's reputations are important !!!!

I won't speak for everyone (mainly because I don't have their permission to do so) but you should never feel that your comments are not welcome here ... I disagree with your point of view, but I welcome your input to this and other discussions

[Missing Dog]

Re: Sam Newman, Garry Lyon face Supreme Court grilling in Susan Alberti defamation su

I saw both incidents that are talked about in this forum, neither of which I considered to be sexist or defamatory. Maybe that's just me though ...

Maybe it is just you.

[Scraggers]

Re: Sam Newman, Garry Lyon face Supreme Court grilling in Susan Alberti defamation su

Maybe it is just you.

You're 100% correct A39 ... it may be just me ...

But to me the multitudes of nude or semi nude calendars (just as an example) that grace our magazine racks in the supermarkets are more objectifying than what was shown on the Footy Show (Again ... my opinion)

[Missing Dog]

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You're 100% correct A39 ... it may be just me ...

But to me the multitudes of nude or semi nude calendars (just as an example) that grace our magazine racks in the supermarkets are more objectifying than what was shown on the Footy Show (Again ... my opinion)

How many of those magazines have a photo of Caroline Wilson photoshoped in to them.

[The Coon Dog]

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From the OP:

Dr Alberti was among a group of senior female AFL figures who wrote a letter of complaint to Nine bosses condemning the stunt.

The group called for The Footy Show cast to be counselled on their attitude towards women.

Signatories included AFL club board members, Sally Capp (Collingwood), Beverly Knight (Essendon), Lynn Ralph (Sydney), Sue Nattrass (Melbourne) and Janine Allis (Hawthorn).

But co-host Lyon publicly questioned the letter's credibility, alleging Ms Capp had said she did not want her name included. He also said that Dr Alberti had bought two tables in The Footy Show audience after the Newman skit.

Newman also weighed in, describing the group of AFL women as "liars and hypocrites". The former Geelong star went on to query the role of women in football-related matters.

"They serve very little purpose at board level. What do they do?" Newman said.

In a writ filed with the Supreme Court, Dr Alberti, a prominent businesswoman, alleges Channel 9 had defamed her.

I think the bold bits are the crux of Susan Alberti's concerns with Channel 9, perhaps much more than the Caro skit.

[Missing Dog]

Re: Sam Newman, Garry Lyon face Supreme Court grilling in Susan Alberti defamation su

From the OP:



I think the bold bits are the crux of Susan Alberti's concerns with Channel 9, perhaps much more than the Caro skit.

Yes, but it was the Caro skit that made her feel that she needed to write to the footy show in the 1st place.

It was the footy shows response to that letter that led to her believing she'd been defamed.

[Topdog]

Re: Sam Newman, Garry Lyon face Supreme Court grilling in Susan Alberti defamation su

Channel 9 wouldn't have settled if they thought they would win.

Thats a rather sweeping statement. $220k is a fair whack though but really if you think about costs of lawyers and the courts plus negative publicity they may have figured that is a good break even point for them.

I'm disappointed in Sue with this though. For those saying she has won and is standing up for the "minority" I pose this question.

If it was about standing up for the rights of women, why do you settle out of court meaning the smallest amount of publicity possible? Basically this had 2 days news coverage which means very little publicity and very little standing up for the little people.

[Missing Dog]

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Thats a rather sweeping statement. $220k is a fair whack though but really if you think about costs of lawyers and the courts plus negative publicity they may have figured that is a good break even point for them.

I'm disappointed in Sue with this though. For those saying she has won and is standing up for the "minority" I pose this question.

If it was about standing up for the rights of women, why do you settle out of court meaning the smallest amount of publicity possible? Basically this had 2 days news coverage which means very little publicity and very little standing up for the little people.

It's got nothing to do with standing up for rights of women.

They called her a liar and a hypocrite and that she was not qualified to be on a football club board, all of which were wrong.

All she wanted was an apology. Today she got her apology and $220,000 for her troubles.

[Bornadog]

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It's got nothing to do with standing up for rights of women.

They called her a liar and a hypocrite and that she was not qualified to be on a football club board, all of which were wrong.

All she wanted was an apology. Today she got her apology and $220,000 for her troubles.

Yes heard her say that on SEN this afternoon and well done for pursing the whole thing.

Channel Nine, Sam Newman and Co are all dickheads personified. A simple apology would have saved a lot of money. Susan doesn't need the money, she has squillions, so it wasn't a money thing.

I have no time for that show or the people that run it.

[Bulldog4life]

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Originally Posted by Bulldog4life
That is a sweeping statement. Could you please elaborate and give me some examples.

Sue Alberti has been a wonderful ambassador for charitable causes and the Western Bulldogs Football Club. This year alone she doubled the sponsorship of the Victorian Women's Football League from $50.000 to $100,000. In 2002, Sue Alberti at the Bulldogs Team of the Century presentation bid $44,000 for Tony Liberatore's jumper. Very few women would have the tenacity and strength of character to take on the might of Channel 9 and the Footy Show.
Maybe now at long last we might see some professionalism and respect come back into this show which is long overdue.

I don't know why you are quoting my post? I was referring to a different statement made by a poster in this thread altogether. Nothing to do with what Sue has positively done. I am fully aware what Sue Alberti has done for a number of charities and also for our great Club. Maybe you didn't read the whole thread?

[Scraggers]

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Yes heard her say that on SEN this afternoon and well done for pursing the whole thing.

Channel Nine, Sam Newman and Co are all dickheads personified. A simple apology would have saved a lot of money. Susan doesn't need the money, she has squillions, so it wasn't a money thing.

I have no time for that show or the people that run it.

So it's not okay for Newman to say that women are useless on a footy board, and that Alberti et al. were liars and a hypocrites, but your broad sweeping statement is okay ... mmm

[azabob]

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You're 100% correct A39 ... it may be just me ...

But to me the multitudes of nude or semi nude calendars (just as an example) that grace our magazine racks in the supermarkets are more objectifying than what was shown on the Footy Show (Again ... my opinion)

I think the major difference is most of the women who "grace our magazine racks" choose to and the get paid for doing so.

[Scraggers]

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I think the major difference is most of the women who "grace our magazine racks" choose to and the get paid for doing so.

I agree that these women get paid to do so, but the major difference is not their pay ... stapling a photo to a mannequin is not objectifying women, making calendars etc of nude/semi-nude women is

[mighty_west]

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Susan had every right to take Ch9, Newman & co all the way, and justice is now done, but it wasn't over the initial incidents, that was a stunt that went wrong, but what exculated, like alot of issues, they can just build up, and this did to a point of what Lyon said about Susan on the footy show, THATS where they made the biggest blunder, the mannequin stunt on it's own i believe wouldn't have got it this far, but those comments made were derogative towards a person in her powers.

[Sedat]

Re: Sam Newman, Garry Lyon face Supreme Court grilling in Susan Alberti defamation su

http://www.theage.com.au/national/defamation-nine-says-sorry-newman-doesnt-20091116-ii9y.html

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/sam-newmans-500000-moment-of-madness/story-e6frf7jo-1225798346553

Newman's comments in the today's follow-up articles are a sure sign that both he and Lyon, behind closed doors, would have had their collective arses kicked long and hard by Jeff Browne and Channel 9 senior management over wasting their employer's time, money and resources over the last 6 months. Newman's false bravado cannot hide the fact that Susan has received:

a) her apology
b) a full public retraction of the assertions made by Lyon and Newman
c) monetary compensation for being proven to have been defamed

Bullies do not take kindly to their victims fighting back. Well done Susan - just a shame that Caroline Wilson is not made of sterner stuff and appears to be far more easily bought.