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  • Bornadog
    WOOF Clubhouse Leader
    • Jan 2007
    • 65611

    Lake out of Saints clash

    Gregor Mactaggart Sportal




    Brian Lake's annus horriblis has reached a new chapter.

    The 2010 All-Australian fullback won't play for the Western Bulldogs against St Kilda on Friday night with what coach Rodney Eade described as a sore groin.

    "It looks like it will only be a week I think, that's the medical feedback on that," Eade said.

    "He's not playing at all on the weekend, he won't play at Williamstown."

    It is a further blow to the 29-year-old, who has struggled for form and fitness in season 2011.

    Hip, shoulder and knee operations over the pre-season meant he missed the first two rounds and was underdone upon his return in Round 3 against Gold Coast.

    In five games, Lake has gathered just the 58 disposals, a modest return for a man renowned as the AFL's most attacking fullback.

    While he kicked three goals in a late forward cameo against Geelong, Lake's belief in his body has been shaken.

    "Brian's struggling for confidence in his body, not that it's the same operation as a knee reconstruction, but it's like a player coming back from that," Eade said.

    "Brian's lacking confidence in his movements and what he can do, it's going to take time for him to get confidence in what he can do."

    "It's a matter of Brian working through it."

    Team-mate Dale Morris has backed Lake, who didn't train on Thursday, to still make an important contribution to the Dogs cause this season.

    "He's got all the support from the players that he'll come good," Morris said.

    "Brian's one those proud guys, he's been doing everything he can. During the off-season he had three operations and I think people underestimate how big those operations were."

    The news is slightly better surrounding injured forward Barry Hall, who trained strongly, but Eade explained the earliest possible return for Hall will be when the Bulldogs host Adelaide at Etihad Stadium in Round 13.

    "Barry's got to get continuity of training, he's a victim of a player that does want to play, but at his age he needs that continuity of training," Eade said.

    The Bulldogs will unveil another debutant in Luke Dahlhaus, a teenager from the Geelong Falcons.

    He comes in with ruckman Ben Hudson, Ed Barlow and first-year player Tom Liberatore, while Jayden Schofield is also in the selection mix.


    Eade was also quizzed on his thoughts about the Saints clash being tagged as an elimination final in July.

    "Even if we win, we needs to go our way, it's more about the way we go about it," Eade said.
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  • ratsmac
    Coaching Staff
    • May 2009
    • 3974

    #2
    Re: Lake out of Saints clash

    Originally posted by bornadog
    Gregor Mactaggart Sportal




    Brian Lake's annus horriblis has reached a new chapter.

    The 2010 All-Australian fullback won't play for the Western Bulldogs against St Kilda on Friday night with what coach Rodney Eade described as a sore groin.

    "It looks like it will only be a week I think, that's the medical feedback on that," Eade said.

    "He's not playing at all on the weekend, he won't play at Williamstown."

    It is a further blow to the 29-year-old, who has struggled for form and fitness in season 2011.

    Hip, shoulder and knee operations over the pre-season meant he missed the first two rounds and was underdone upon his return in Round 3 against Gold Coast.

    In five games, Lake has gathered just the 58 disposals, a modest return for a man renowned as the AFL's most attacking fullback.

    While he kicked three goals in a late forward cameo against Geelong, Lake's belief in his body has been shaken.

    "Brian's struggling for confidence in his body, not that it's the same operation as a knee reconstruction, but it's like a player coming back from that," Eade said.

    "Brian's lacking confidence in his movements and what he can do, it's going to take time for him to get confidence in what he can do."

    "It's a matter of Brian working through it."

    Team-mate Dale Morris has backed Lake, who didn't train on Thursday, to still make an important contribution to the Dogs cause this season.

    "He's got all the support from the players that he'll come good," Morris said.

    "Brian's one those proud guys, he's been doing everything he can. During the off-season he had three operations and I think people underestimate how big those operations were."

    The news is slightly better surrounding injured forward Barry Hall, who trained strongly, but Eade explained the earliest possible return for Hall will be when the Bulldogs host Adelaide at Etihad Stadium in Round 13.

    "Barry's got to get continuity of training, he's a victim of a player that does want to play, but at his age he needs that continuity of training," Eade said.

    The Bulldogs will unveil another debutant in Luke Dahlhaus, a teenager from the Geelong Falcons.

    He comes in with ruckman Ben Hudson, Ed Barlow and first-year player Tom Liberatore, while Jayden Schofield is also in the selection mix.

    Eade was also quizzed on his thoughts about the Saints clash being tagged as an elimination final in July.

    "Even if we win, we needs to go our way, it's more about the way we go about it," Eade said.
    Have we elevated two rookies? If so, how?
    They've done studies you know, 60% of the time, it works every time!
    Brian Fantana.

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    • Ozza
      Bulldog Team of the Century
      • Mar 2008
      • 6380

      #3
      Re: Lake out of Saints clash

      No mention of Cooney coming back?

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      • Desipura
        WOOF Member
        • Mar 2008
        • 4344

        #4
        Re: Lake out of Saints clash

        Why bring in Hudson and Barlow when Lake is out? I would think Roughy would be the logical replacement for Lake. Another strange selection

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        • Bornadog
          WOOF Clubhouse Leader
          • Jan 2007
          • 65611

          #5
          Re: Lake out of Saints clash

          Originally posted by ratsmac
          Have we elevated two rookies? If so, how?
          Yes we have, after round 11 all clubs can promote a rookie, plus Tom Hill is out on LTI
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          • BulldogBelle
            WOOF Member
            • Nov 2006
            • 5284

            #6
            Re: Lake out of Saints clash

            Originally posted by Desipura
            Why bring in Hudson and Barlow when Lake is out? I would think Roughy would be the logical replacement for Lake. Another strange selection


            Hudson was BOG or close to it in the FOXTEL cup match

            I doubt he will play on Friday night...its probably just one of those 'Ins' to continue to put pressure on players already in the team, and recognise his performance in the 2nds

            If our season is cooked (we loose v St Kilda tomorow night), then I dont see the point of playing Hudson or Gilbee much for the remainder of the season. Neither of them are going to figure in our plans post 2011, so there is no point playing them apart from possibly a 'farewell' game ala Crofty - (less the contract / $$ BS!)

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            • ratsmac
              Coaching Staff
              • May 2009
              • 3974

              #7
              Re: Lake out of Saints clash

              Originally posted by bornadog
              Yes we have, after round 11 all clubs can promote a rookie, plus Tom Hill is out on LTI
              Thanks, I did not know that. Suppose then we have seen the last of poor Mitch Hahn then
              They've done studies you know, 60% of the time, it works every time!
              Brian Fantana.

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              • Desipura
                WOOF Member
                • Mar 2008
                • 4344

                #8
                Re: Lake out of Saints clash

                I hope Lake is not taking a stance not to play whilst Eade is coach. I know Eade said he should be right next week.............time will tell

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                • BulldogBelle
                  WOOF Member
                  • Nov 2006
                  • 5284

                  #9
                  Re: Lake out of Saints clash

                  Originally posted by ratsmac
                  Thanks, I did not know that. Suppose then we have seen the last of poor Mitch Hahn then


                  If another senior listed played was placed on the Long Term Injury list later in the season, I suppose hypothetically we could elevate Mitch Hahn.

                  Although he would only be elevated for sentimental reasons (if senior tall forwards Hall, Jones, Grant + Roughead are all fit) to play a farewell game.

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                  • ratsmac
                    Coaching Staff
                    • May 2009
                    • 3974

                    #10
                    Re: Lake out of Saints clash

                    Originally posted by Dog House
                    If another senior listed played was placed on the Long Term Injury list later in the season, I suppose hypothetically we could elevate Mitch Hahn.

                    Although he would only be elevated for sentimental reasons (if senior tall forwards Hall, Jones, Grant + Roughead are all fit) to play a farewell game.
                    Well Hill should be on the LTIL because he has no heart, so yeah we might yet see Mitch again in the red white and blue
                    They've done studies you know, 60% of the time, it works every time!
                    Brian Fantana.

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                    • Maddog37
                      WOOF Member
                      • Nov 2010
                      • 3132

                      #11
                      Re: Lake out of Saints clash

                      Interesting concept that.

                      Can a player be placed on the LTIL with a mental problem like depression or anxiety?

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                      • Daughter of the West
                        WOOF Member
                        • Sep 2010
                        • 918

                        #12
                        Re: Lake out of Saints clash

                        Originally posted by Maddog37
                        Interesting concept that.

                        Can a player be placed on the LTIL with a mental problem like depression or anxiety?
                        Where does one go to look at the rookie rules? I'd be interested to see what the definition of a LTIL actually is. I managed to find the law book at afl.com.au, but not much else.
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                        • Ghost Dog
                          WOOF Member
                          • May 2010
                          • 9404

                          #13
                          Re: Lake out of Saints clash

                          Bring in that Rookie kid, what's his name? Hahn? ^_^
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                          • azabob
                            Hall of Fame
                            • Sep 2008
                            • 15126

                            #14
                            Re: Lake out of Saints clash

                            Originally posted by ratsmac
                            Thanks, I did not know that. Suppose then we have seen the last of poor Mitch Hahn then
                            Originally posted by Ghost Dog
                            Bring in that Rookie kid, what's his name? Hahn? ^_^
                            Why would we bring back Hahn? That would be one of the more puzzling decisions we have made all year, and we have made some puzzling ones!

                            Personally Hahn should not have been offered a rookie contract.
                            More of an In Bruges guy?

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                            • divvydan
                              WOOF Member
                              • Oct 2009
                              • 1502

                              #15
                              Re: Lake out of Saints clash

                              Originally posted by Daughter of the West
                              Where does one go to look at the rookie rules? I'd be interested to see what the definition of a LTIL actually is. I managed to find the law book at afl.com.au, but not much else.
                              From the current CBA Booklet



                              Part 12.1

                              A long term injury means an injury or illness suffered by a Player
                              which, in the opinion of the AFL Medical Officer, after consultation with the AFL
                              Club Medical Officer, will prevent or is likely to prevent a Player, having due
                              regard to his health and safety, from participating in a Match for a period of not less
                              than eight weeks from the date the injury or illness is diagnosed.
                              A Player’s name may only be added to the Long Term Injury List with the
                              Player’s consent and with the approval of the AFL General Manager –
                              Football Operations

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