Brendan McCartney has Brian Lake in his sights

[Bornadog]

Re: Brendan McCartney has Brian Lake in his sights

In Ross Lyon's case, I do. He's not shy in stating he doesn't preach loyalty (a la his presser) and no doubt the $$$ was the major factor in his move west.

Even so, he would want to be a winner as he doesn't want to ruin his reputation for the next job. He is also on massive incentives at Freo to gain more dollars

[Desipura]

Re: Brendan McCartney has Brian Lake in his sights

Like how Jones and Hall got in the way of each other? Or Dawes and Cloke? Kennedy and Lynch/Darling?

I don't see why Lake would create this problem.

Only difference is Lake is not a natural forward, he would rely too heavy on his marking and would not add any forward pressure.
Not many fullbacks make a name for themselves at full forward at 30yo.

[Desipura]

Re: Brendan McCartney has Brian Lake in his sights

Of course he does, all assistants do he has been coaching against us for 12 years.



What an odd thing to say.

Why is it odd? Can you give an educated response instead of claiming a comment as odd?

[Rocket Science]

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Only difference is Lake is not a natural forward, he would rely too heavy on his marking and would not add any forward pressure.
Not many fullbacks make a name for themselves at full forward at 30yo.

Not quite apples for apples but I recall a new coach helping to energise and transform the career of a key defender in Lake's age range, who was similarly plagued with serious and ongoing health issues, into a fearsome forward target, reaping fairly handy rewards.

His name: Alastair Lynch

[Mofra]

Re: Brendan McCartney has Brian Lake in his sights

His name: Alastair Lynch

Fraser Gehrig was traded into St Kilda as a FB too - made quite a forward.

Only concern is teaching Lake to lead hard - his normal forays forward he doesn't quiet present, and does that jogging lead with one hand in the air. Forwards need to demand the ball.

I'd definetaly want a second tall down there in soem form though to help out Jones.

[LostDoggy]

Re: Brendan McCartney has Brian Lake in his sights

Lake's kicking for isn't that good either. He needs a bit of work to make it there.

[LostDoggy]

Re: Brendan McCartney has Brian Lake in his sights

Lake's kicking for isn't that good either. He needs a bit of work to make it there.

Cloke just made AA up forward and he's 50/50 from anywhere at anytime.

[Desipura]

Re: Brendan McCartney has Brian Lake in his sights

Not quite apples for apples but I recall a new coach helping to energise and transform the career of a key defender in Lake's age range, who was similarly plagued with serious and ongoing health issues, into a fearsome forward target, reaping fairly handy rewards.

His name: Alastair Lynch

I have responded to this before, Lynch played full forward at Fitzroy.

[GVGjr]

Re: Brendan McCartney has Brian Lake in his sights

Neitz was a backmen

[Bornadog]

Re: Brendan McCartney has Brian Lake in his sights

Neitz was a backmen

Yes, perfect example Ant.

[1eyedog]

Re: Brendan McCartney has Brian Lake in his sights

Why is it odd? Can you give an educated response instead of claiming a comment as odd?

Brian played as a forward prior to getting drafted and was drafted as a forward. He is a strong mark in a contested situation and is quick over 20 metres, he has proven that he knows where to position himself with the ball coming in (as you are aware he was number 1 for marking opposition kicks) and his presence in the forward line takes the number 1 back away from Jones.

My only problem with Brian playing forward is that he is not an overly accurate kick.

Provided Marko can hold down full back (and I think he will continue to improve here) with assistance from Williams and eventually Morris, I think the Lake forward experiment is certainly worth looking at and I can understand why McCartney is interested in it.

If Brian is fit he is quick enough and smart enough to cut space and get to contests to be competitive if the ball hits the ground, the really encouraging part of him playing forward is that the ball won't hit the ground as much if he is in there.

Kosi started at CHB and has played as a full forward (with limited success) for 70% of the time since he moved away from CHB.
Petrie played all of his early games at CHB for North Melbourne
Ryder started at CHB and now exclusively moves from the ruck to FF
Neitz went to FF from CHB at Melbourne
Roach played his first 17 games at CHB

I'm not sure whether we actaully need Lake to kick bags of goals for us at FF, it's more about creating contest and helping out our developing forwards. With no other options other than to play jones at FF, does the benefit here outweigh what he will give us fully fit at FB?

What is your reasoning for not playing Brian forward?

[Rocket Science]

Re: Brendan McCartney has Brian Lake in his sights

Originally Posted by Rocket Science
Not quite apples for apples...

His name: Alastair Lynch

I have responded to this before, Lynch played full forward at Fitzroy.

Right you are, though was a genuine swing man pre-Brisbane.

Also, Lake was drafted as a full forward from memory.

I'm iffy on Lake's virtues as a forward target myself, and despite our dearth of key position types up that end I'm not convinced ripping a guy out of a vital position he's extremely accomplished at is the smartest approach anyway, but it's still a curious proposition to ponder with a new coach seeking to transition/transform the side.

[The Doctor]

Re: Brendan McCartney has Brian Lake in his sights

Originally Posted by Rocket Science
Not quite apples for apples...

His name: Alastair Lynch



Right you are, though was a genuine swing man pre-Brisbane.

One of my favorite footy memories is when Danny Delre ripped him to pieces in 1992 and kicked 4 or 5 on him in a quarter.

[Nuggety Back Pocket]

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Only difference is Lake is not a natural forward, he would rely too heavy on his marking and would not add any forward pressure.
Not many fullbacks make a name for themselves at full forward at 30yo.

The only reason you would play Lake forward is out of sheer desperation. He is simply a natural defender and a good one at that. Providing Lake';s body is fit and well, he should return to his former self in a defence that badly lacks his class and brilliance. McCartney could just be the right tonic to get the best out of Brian Lake.

[boydogs]

Re: Brendan McCartney has Brian Lake in his sights

I'd definetaly want a second tall down there in soem form though to help out Jones.

I'd definitely want a second tall down back to help out Williams