Fight in the Western Bulldogs yet, warns president David Smorgon

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  • Desipura
    WOOF Member
    • Mar 2008
    • 4344

    #31
    Re: Fight in the Western Bulldogs yet, warns president David Smorgon

    Originally posted by Mantis
    He was physically developed as a 17yo who 'monstered' same age opponents.

    He doesn't monster too many AFL players.
    I am not suggesting we should get him or that I rate him highly, all I am saying is that he is one of 2 Victorians who may be of interest at the right price. I have only seen limited footage of him.

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    • LostDoggy
      WOOF Member
      • Jan 2007
      • 8307

      #32
      Re: Fight in the Western Bulldogs yet, warns president David Smorgon

      Originally posted by Desipura
      A very much highly rated 17yo 2 years ago who was picked up early and now at 19yo, a spud in your opinion......interesting.
      We will get him for nothing because Gold Coast will dump him

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      • Doc26
        Coaching Staff
        • Sep 2009
        • 3087

        #33
        Re: Fight in the Western Bulldogs yet, warns president David Smorgon

        Hit me with a wet rag but can't help but feel that it is a little late for David to hit out now with somewhat idle threats after the horse has already bolted. At least with Eddie he does come out on the front foot threatening fire and brimstone ala Pendlebury and Thomas before any damage has been done to his Club.

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        • Dancin' Douggy
          WOOF Member
          • Oct 2007
          • 2876

          #34
          Re: Fight in the Western Bulldogs yet, warns president David Smorgon

          OK. I think I get it now. Don't make much noise and you're a pissweak pushover.

          Come out with all guns blazing and you're nothing but hot air and a laughing stock.

          Tough gig there Mr. Smorgon.
          Are you sure you want to keep doing it?.
          By the way, you don't get paid either.

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          • LostDoggy
            WOOF Member
            • Jan 2007
            • 8307

            #35
            Re: Fight in the Western Bulldogs yet, warns president David Smorgon

            Originally posted by Dancin' Douggy
            OK. I think I get it now. Don't make much noise and you're a pissweak pushover.

            Come out with all guns blazing and you're nothing but hot air and a laughing stock.

            Tough gig there Mr. Smorgon.
            Are you sure you want to keep doing it?.
            By the way, you don't get paid either.
            All guns blazing? They are just blanks atm.
            Enough with the talk, What we need is action.
            If we had if acted earlier we might of kept Harbrow and/or Ward.

            Doesn't get paid, but I doubt he is struggling.

            Smorgon been a good president but it's almost 16 years and we still haven't achieved what we really want.

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            • Ghost Dog
              WOOF Member
              • May 2010
              • 9404

              #36
              Re: Fight in the Western Bulldogs yet, warns president David Smorgon

              Originally posted by The Bulldogs Bite
              What do you mean never a sure bet?

              Hall and Akermanis were A+ players. They were absolutely elite, and there was never any question about their ability to still play top grade football.

              Other clubs wanted Akermanis (including Essendon/Sheedy) whilst Hall wanted to come to us after the 2008 season but was still under contract.



              This is my point, though.

              In 2-3 years if we draft and develop our players well, we should be a much better football side and find ourselves in a position to once again attract players from oppsition clubs.
              A grade right hook ( Barry ) and A grade mouth ( Aker ) more like it. Such was the concern with Barry that Smorgon invited him over to his Hacienda and personally brought up his temper. And quite a few wondered if he was going to make it through the season. It was a risk so don't say it wasn't. As for Sackermanis, Essendon may have wanted him but quite a few clubs didn't. His reputation preceded him and there are many in the footy world that are not a bit surprised how it all ended. I don't disagree with your last point. Just think, as others mention, better off just to go about it without all the bluster. We may have been attractive in 2010 but that was then. Still, I do admire Smorgo, in the spirit of things, for trying to keep on the front foot.
              You don't develop courage by being happy in your relationships every day. You develop it by surviving difficult times and challenging adversity. ― Epicurus

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              • AndrewP6
                Bulldog Team of the Century
                • Jan 2009
                • 8142

                #37
                Re: Fight in the Western Bulldogs yet, warns president David Smorgon

                Originally posted by Ghost Dog
                A grade right hook ( Barry ) and A grade mouth ( Aker ) more like it. Such was the concern with Barry that Smorgon invited him over to his Hacienda and personally brought up his temper. And quite a few wondered if he was going to make it through the season. It was a risk so don't say it wasn't. As for Sackermanis, Essendon may have wanted him but quite a few clubs didn't. His reputation preceded him and there are many in the footy world that are not a bit surprised how it all ended. I don't disagree with your last point. Just think, as others mention, better off just to go about it without all the bluster. We may have been attractive in 2010 but that was then. Still, I do admire Smorgo, in the spirit of things, for trying to keep on the front foot.
                You have to say that (at least for a time) both delivered on what we picked them up for. Risk, sure, but you don't get anywhere without taking risks.
                Last edited by AndrewP6; 01-05-2012, 06:50 PM. Reason: wrong word!
                [B][COLOR="#0000CD"]Our club was born in blood and boots, not in AFL focus groups.[/COLOR][/B]

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                • Missing Dog
                  WOOF Member
                  • Jan 2007
                  • 8501

                  #38
                  Re: Fight in the Western Bulldogs yet, warns president David Smorgon

                  At the end of the I for one am glad he has thrown down the gauntlet lets just hope we can back it up .

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                  • jeemak
                    Bulldog Legend
                    • Oct 2010
                    • 21842

                    #39
                    Re: Fight in the Western Bulldogs yet, warns president David Smorgon

                    Originally posted by Ghost Dog
                    A grade right hook ( Barry ) and A grade mouth ( Aker ) more like it. Such was the concern with Barry that Smorgon invited him over to his Hacienda and personally brought up his temper. And quite a few wondered if he was going to make it through the season. It was a risk so don't say it wasn't. As for Sackermanis, Essendon may have wanted him but quite a few clubs didn't. His reputation preceded him and there are many in the footy world that are not a bit surprised how it all ended. I don't disagree with your last point. Just think, as others mention, better off just to go about it without all the bluster. We may have been attractive in 2010 but that was then. Still, I do admire Smorgo, in the spirit of things, for trying to keep on the front foot.
                    Akermanis provided good service to the club, for a time, and the decision to take him on was looking more than reasonable until we gave him one more year at the end of 2009. He proved to be the wanker we all thought he had the potential to be in 2010, of course, though he came out of the ordeal looking a lot worse than the club did.

                    Hall was a risk as well, and Smorgon did due diligence by taking him aside prior to his recruitment and provided him with some fairly solid guidelines or expectations. Hall fulfilled them extremely well, and while his recruitment proved to be a year or so too late he provided good service and represented the club extremely well. He also provided some entertainment in two years where the overall side declined. If you think our forward line is diabolical now, imagine what it would have been like if Hall wasn't kicking goals for us in 2010 and 2011.

                    Sure, not many sides were chasing Hall, though I'd hate to think of what the backlash from fans and the media would have been like if we didn't take him on.

                    The club didn't handle the Ward situation as well as it could have, though I still think that even if we did make noise over potential scenarios to compensate for his loss we would have been pushing the proverbial up hill anyway. The AFL would have treated our arm flapping with contempt, and they were always going to compensate the Demons for losing Scully at a higher level from the beginning.

                    Smorgon from this point should just keep his mouth shut and let his actions do the talking.
                    TF is this?.........Obviously you're not a golfer.

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                    • Ghost Dog
                      WOOF Member
                      • May 2010
                      • 9404

                      #40
                      Re: Fight in the Western Bulldogs yet, warns president David Smorgon

                      Originally posted by jeemak
                      Akermanis provided good service to the club, for a time, and the decision to take him on was looking more than reasonable until we gave him one more year at the end ......
                      Hall was a risk as well,.......

                      Sure, not many sides were chasing Hall, though I'd hate to think of what the backlash from fans and the media would have been like if we didn't take him on.

                      The club didn't handle the Ward situation as well as it co......

                      Smorgon from this point should just keep his mouth shut and let his actions do the talking.
                      Yeah I agree. It's like "When we have money, and we will, we are gonna GET you" to a club ( GWS ) that has wads of cash and all the players they could want. Makes us look like a bunch of wet blankets. Speak softly and carry a big stick. Not squeal and carry a twig.
                      You don't develop courage by being happy in your relationships every day. You develop it by surviving difficult times and challenging adversity. ― Epicurus

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                      • BulldogBelle
                        WOOF Member
                        • Nov 2006
                        • 5284

                        #41
                        Re: Fight in the Western Bulldogs yet, warns president David Smorgon

                        We wont be anywhere near contention, so its difficult to say why a GWS or GC player would want to come over to us when there would be stronger clubs in premiership contention vying for their services - no point paying overs either for someone that GWS or GC dont want - given the salary cap concessions you'd assume GWS will receive ala the Swans its difficult to imagine they wont be able to keep most of their players

                        The next 2 years needs to be about growing our own and making smart draft decisions with our 2 first round selections and not gambling away our early picks on speculative superstars ala the Clayton era

                        Once we get closer to contention i'm sure we'll have a much better chance of picking up some out of contract players that will suit our needs

                        Given McCartney's influence and his experience at Geelong, and their focus on growing their own rather than trading or chasing unlisted players, i'm sure we will see a similar approach during his tenure at the WO

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                        • Sockeye Salmon
                          Bulldog Team of the Century
                          • Jan 2007
                          • 6365

                          #42
                          Re: Fight in the Western Bulldogs yet, warns president David Smorgon

                          Look how well the war went between Richmond and Collingwood throughout the 80's

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