Form and free agency could send Western Bulldogs ruckman Will Minson's stocks soaring

[G-Mo77]

RUCKMEN remain in hot demand, with Mark Jamar, Will Minson, Trent West and Robbie Warnock all coming out of contract and pricking the interest of rival clubs.

The big-man scenario is even more intriguing because two of the most likely suitors - Hawthorn and Collingwood - are in the premiership window.

The Jamar and Warnock situation has been well publicised, but the stocks of once-maligned Western Bulldog Minson have also risen.

Minson, who has thrived in the No.1 ruck role since the departure of Ben Hudson, is out of contract and an unrestricted free agent.

The Bulldogs are keen to retain the 27-year-old, who was almost traded to Gold Coast at the end of 2010, and a new deal is on the radar.

But his size and presence may appeal to the Hawks, who would like another mature ruckman to support Max Bailey. Collingwood is also on the hunt for a ruckman in the mid-20s age bracket.

Minson's manager Dan Richardson made it clear yesterday he was open to talks with the Dogs, even though free agency is providing extra options and bargaining power.

"The short answer, it's not necessarily one that will be put on hold. There is no reason to do that," Richardson said.

"I'm sure there will be some discussion with the club at some point but, at this point in time, there is no update."

As an unrestricted free agent, Minson can walk to the club of his choice without the Dogs having the opportunity of matching the bid. They would receive compensation.

Warnock has been linked to Greater Western Sydney and Collingwood and his manager Colin Young has stated the former Fremantle player, lured to Carlton on about $400,000 a season, wants an opportunity to play senior AFL.

Jamar, an All-Australian ruckman in 2010, will be 29 in August, but has currency for premiership challengers. A new deal with the Demons still appears some way off.

If a club such as Hawthorn offered three years and the opportunity to play in a flag, it may tempt - even if Jamar has said he would be happy to re-sign if Melbourne put a contract in front of him.

Like Minson, Jamar is an unrestricted free agent.

The management of Geelong's West has indicated he is also in no hurry to sign as suitors circle.

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[G-Mo77]

Re: Form and free agency could send Western Bulldogs ruckman Will Minson's stocks soa

I'd rather not get in a bidding war with suitors although I don't want to lose him either. Can Roughy, Cordy and even Campbell hold down our ruck position if we lose him?

[ledge]

Re: Form and free agency could send Western Bulldogs ruckman Will Minson's stocks soa

How do they work out the compensation?

[G-Mo77]

Re: Form and free agency could send Western Bulldogs ruckman Will Minson's stocks soa

How do they work out the compensation?

Not sure mate. I did read something about it the other day. I'll have to find it or hope that someone in here can hold their memory for more than a day.

[ledge]

Re: Form and free agency could send Western Bulldogs ruckman Will Minson's stocks soa

I like Minson but I am not sure we would fight that hard to keep him if the compensation is reasonable.

[G-Mo77]

Re: Form and free agency could send Western Bulldogs ruckman Will Minson's stocks soa

This is what Minson falls under. I didn't realise he'd been with us 10 years until today.

A player has served ten or more seasons of AFL football at one club, has already come out of contract once in the period after serving his first eight or more seasons at his club, and is now out of contract. (Unrestricted free agent)
The player is eligible to field offers from all rival clubs.
If he wishes to change clubs, the player must decide on the best offer of his choice from one rival club.
His club does NOT have the right to match the presented offer, and the player can move AUTOMATICALLY to the new club of his choice.
His original club will receive a compensation pick for the loss of the player, on an AFL-determined formula to apply where clubs lose more free agents than they gain in any single transfer period.

I'm assuming the compensation is similar to whats going on now with GC and GWS.

[Flamethrower]

Re: Form and free agency could send Western Bulldogs ruckman Will Minson's stocks soa

If the compensation is based on other free agency models such as the NFL and MLB, then it will be similar to what has been done with free agents that have signed with the 2 expansion clubs. The main difference is that for the top rated players the new team's 1st or 2nd round draft pick is given to the team losing the free agent.

For example in Major League Baseball all free agents are rated as Class A (top 20% of all players judged of stats from last 2 seasons), Class B (21-40%) and the rest.

When a Class A free agent signs with a new team the old team receives the new team's 1st or 2nd round draft pick (the top 15 picks are protected, so if the new team's 1st pick is in the top 15 then their 2nd pick is traded) AND a supplementary selection after the 1st round has been completed.

When a Class B free agent signs with a new team, the old team only receives the supplementary draft pick after the 1st round.

If a team loses any other free agent (outside the top 40%) there is no compensation.

The system in the NFL is lot more complicated, as teams are only compensated if the value of players lost exceeds the value of players gained during the free agency period each year. The value of players is determined by a formula based on salary, playing time and postseason awards. It seems that it is rare that a team gains a compensatory selection before the 3rd round, with most in the last 2 rounds of the draft.

[LostDoggy]

Re: Form and free agency could send Western Bulldogs ruckman Will Minson's stocks soa

Would anybody be surprised if the Dogs were the first to lose a player to free agency?

[The Coon Dog]

Re: Form and free agency could send Western Bulldogs ruckman Will Minson's stocks soa

Would anybody be surprised if the Dogs were the first to lose a player to free agency?

Not Sedat

[Bornadog]

Re: Form and free agency could send Western Bulldogs ruckman Will Minson's stocks soa

Fantasia on SEN NOW 12.12pm

[Bornadog]

Re: Form and free agency could send Western Bulldogs ruckman Will Minson's stocks soa

Fantasia on SEN NOW 12.12pm

Didn't say much just that Will is a required player

Didn't give me any confidence that he will be made an offer soon.

[Bulldog4life]

Re: Form and free agency could send Western Bulldogs ruckman Will Minson's stocks soa

Will has had a good season so far. If he keeps it up I hope he stays with us.

[ledge]

Re: Form and free agency could send Western Bulldogs ruckman Will Minson's stocks soa

Didn't say much just that Will is a required player

Didn't give me any confidence that he will be made an offer soon.

Interesting, will the dogs wait to see what other offers he gets or do we make an offer first, either way his manager will be looking around whether we make first offer or not.

[GVGjr]

Re: Form and free agency could send Western Bulldogs ruckman Will Minson's stocks soa

How do they work out the compensation?

If the League's previous performances re compensation for losing players is any guide. I would say Very Badly!!!!
May the Rich get stronger, and Hell take the poorer seems their clear motto.

[chef]

Re: Form and free agency could send Western Bulldogs ruckman Will Minson's stocks soa

Would anybody be surprised if the Dogs were the first to lose a player to free agency?

Nope.