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  • NoseBleed
    WOOF Member
    • Jun 2008
    • 201

    Goldstein decision 'wrong'



    Goldstein decision 'wrong'
    By Nick Bowen 7:01 PM Tue 15 May, 2012

    Bulldog Dylan Addison was unlucky not to be rewarded with a free kick after his tackle on Todd Goldstein

    WESTERN Bulldog Dylan Addison should have been rewarded for a tackle on North Melbourne ruckman Todd Goldstein that directly led to a Kangaroos goal, AFL director of umpiring Jeff Gieschen says.

    Goldstein marked unopposed about 15 metres from goal late in the second quarter during the Bulldogs' 18-point win over North last Sunday. Electing to play on, Goldstein was tackled by Addison before he could get a kick away.

    Addison's tackle forced Goldstein to drop the ball, but play on was called and the Bulldog had to look on as North's Lindsay Thomas soccered a goal from point-blank range

    Gieschen told It's Your Call Addison should have been rewarded with a free kick.

    "We can see Todd's taken the mark probably five, six, seven metres out from the top of the goalsquare," Gieschen said.

    "He marks and decides to keep going, takes four full steps (and) elects to kick. Unfortunately he doesn't dispose of the ball correctly when he's tackled with a prior opportunity ... so he (should have been) penalised ... (for) not disposing of the ball correctly."
    ...

    If you watch the replay, the ump clearly announces "He didn't have prior"

    Umpiring Downlow of the year so far.

    NB.
  • Remi Moses
    WOOF Member
    • Jan 2009
    • 14785

    #2
    Re: Goldstein decision 'wrong'

    One of many puzzling decisions on the day ( both ways)
    What about the one on the Outer wing with Libba and a North player jostling for the ball, Libba has the ball and the ump gives us a "Holding the Ball"
    The Five North fans were enraged

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    • NoseBleed
      WOOF Member
      • Jun 2008
      • 201

      #3
      Re: Goldstein decision 'wrong'

      Gotta say the most pleasing thing about the adjudication on the day was that I didn't see any of our serial offenders playing for soft free's.

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      • Hotdog60
        Bulldog Team of the Century
        • Aug 2009
        • 5909

        #4
        Re: Goldstein decision 'wrong'

        I would have been very upset if we lost by a point.
        Don't piss off old people
        The older we get the less "LIFE IN PRISON" is a deterrent...

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        • SlimPickens
          Coaching Staff
          • Aug 2010
          • 2929

          #5
          Re: Goldstein decision 'wrong'

          Doesn't change anything, a really poor missed decision by the umpire. Glad that Gieschen pointed out what nearly everyone in the stadium knew.
          "Loves a scrap....oh yeah & he's a pretty handy footballer as well"

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          • LostDoggy
            WOOF Member
            • Jan 2007
            • 8307

            #6
            Re: Goldstein decision 'wrong'

            Originally posted by NoseBleed

            If you watch the replay, the ump clearly announces "He didn't have prior"

            Umpiring Downlow of the year so far.

            NB.
            someone set me straight on this ^
            I was under the impression a mark is deemed "prior opportunity" ? By that I mean if a player marks the ball he has a free kick, from there if he plays on then he "had" prior opportunity? A player hasn't played on untill the umpire has said "play on" so as soon as that happens, any incorrect disposal is a free to the opposition player?

            In this case it is either holding the ball, or 50m because the umpire didn't call play on.

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            • G-Mo77
              Bulldog Team of the Century
              • Apr 2007
              • 9876

              #7
              Re: Goldstein decision 'wrong'

              Originally posted by Hotdog60
              I would have been very upset if we lost by a point.
              It would have been correct if that was the case.

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              • Bornadog
                WOOF Clubhouse Leader
                • Jan 2007
                • 66772

                #8
                Re: Goldstein decision 'wrong'

                Originally posted by NoseBleed
                Gotta say the most pleasing thing about the adjudication on the day was that I didn't see any of our serial offenders playing for soft free's.
                Who are these?
                FFC: Established 1883

                Premierships: AFL 1954, 2016 VFA - 1898,99,1900, 1908, 1913, 1919-20, 1923-24, VFL: 2014, 2016 . Champions of Victoria 1924. AFLW - 2018.

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                • 1eyedog
                  Hall of Fame
                  • Mar 2008
                  • 13237

                  #9
                  Re: Goldstein decision 'wrong'

                  Originally posted by bornadog
                  Who are these?
                  I haven't seen any of our players playing for free kicks all season and I've been to/watched every game.
                  But then again, I'm an Internet poster and Bevo is a premiership coach so draw your own conclusions.

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                  • westdog54
                    Bulldog Team of the Century
                    • Jan 2007
                    • 6686

                    #10
                    Re: Goldstein decision 'wrong'

                    Originally posted by HairyMidget
                    someone set me straight on this ^
                    I was under the impression a mark is deemed "prior opportunity" ? By that I mean if a player marks the ball he has a free kick, from there if he plays on then he "had" prior opportunity? A player hasn't played on untill the umpire has said "play on" so as soon as that happens, any incorrect disposal is a free to the opposition player?

                    In this case it is either holding the ball, or 50m because the umpire didn't call play on.
                    Absolutely right.

                    The umpire made a very poor decision and then tried to cover it.

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                    • Bornadog
                      WOOF Clubhouse Leader
                      • Jan 2007
                      • 66772

                      #11
                      Re: Goldstein decision 'wrong'

                      We must praise Addision's great tackle. Great chase and to not give away a free was brilliant.
                      FFC: Established 1883

                      Premierships: AFL 1954, 2016 VFA - 1898,99,1900, 1908, 1913, 1919-20, 1923-24, VFL: 2014, 2016 . Champions of Victoria 1924. AFLW - 2018.

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                      • EasternWest
                        Hall of Fame
                        • Aug 2009
                        • 10002

                        #12
                        Re: Goldstein decision 'wrong'

                        Originally posted by westdog54
                        Absolutely right.

                        The umpire made a very poor decision and then tried to cover it.
                        As I posted elsewhere, not only did that umpire try to cover it up, you can hear another umpire on the mic say it was a "fantastic decision". Just what's going on there?

                        Originally posted by bornadog
                        We must praise Addision's great tackle. Great chase and to not give away a free was brilliant.
                        Addison or no, I hate seeing desperate acts go unrewarded. When Goldstein marked DFA would have been well within his rights to not chase given the proximity to goal. But that isn't how he plays and instead of celebrating his goal saving tackle we're talking about an umpiring screw up. It sucks.
                        "It's over. It's all over."

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                        • LostDoggy
                          WOOF Member
                          • Jan 2007
                          • 8307

                          #13
                          Re: Goldstein decision 'wrong'

                          Only way around it which they (AFL umpires) didn't take, would be if it was deemed push in the back by Addison and advantage paid.

                          (I know it wasn't push in the back, just saying that is a lesser of a bad decision)
                          From there they could argue vision obscured etc.

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                          • Ghost Dog
                            WOOF Member
                            • May 2010
                            • 9404

                            #14
                            Re: Goldstein decision 'wrong'

                            I just don't understand how a professional umpire can make such a decision?
                            In the ' It's your call " it was about the most blatantly 'wrong' decision. then again, I am one eyed.
                            You don't develop courage by being happy in your relationships every day. You develop it by surviving difficult times and challenging adversity. ― Epicurus

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                            • LostDoggy
                              WOOF Member
                              • Jan 2007
                              • 8307

                              #15
                              Re: Goldstein decision 'wrong'

                              Originally posted by Ghost Dog
                              I just don't understand how a professional umpire can make such a decision?
                              In the ' It's your call " it was about the most blatantly 'wrong' decision. then again, I am one eyed.
                              He is just human. Got no issues with him stuffing up, it was the attempted cover up that infuriated me. He could have easily “consulted” with another umpire and had the goal (rightfully) voided. Instead, his arrogance and the general “Don't argue with me or you'll be penalised and fined and sent letters from my boss” stance of the umpiring department is to blame. And we, the fans, are probably to blame for that stance.

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