We're not rebuilding: Dogs

[KT31]

Re: We're not rebuilding: Dogs

It will get worse before it gets better, we haven't bottomed out yet.

Over the next 3 years Hargrave, Gia, Gilbee, Lake, Morris, Cooney, Cross, Boyd and Murphy retiring.

Not to different from this season with the highlighted ones not really contributing to this season.
Could even include Murph in the group if it wasn't for a coup[le of games.

[Ghost Dog]

Re: We're not rebuilding: Dogs

It will get worse before it gets better, we haven't bottomed out yet.

Over the next 3 years Hargrave, Gia, Gilbee, Lake, Morris, Cooney, Cross, Boyd and Murphy retiring.

It's a bit pessimistic isn't it? Sydney are a team for example, who show you a boom and bust cycle of performance is not acceptable.
It's not acceptable to fans, it's not acceptable to members, it's not acceptable as a club. This doesn't mean I will ever burn my membership or walk away. But I won't accept it for one.

It's not acceptable!!!
I can subscribe to the theory that even though we made prelims, we had some cracks papered over. Can subscribe to the theory that we have youth in our side. But that argument is starting to wear thin. As members we have the right to encourage a better performance than what we are seeing at the moment, across the board, from coach to player.
That means better kicking skills. Better coaching ( match ups and game day response ), harder running defensively, better blocking and protection of team mates, better drafting ( Fantasia )
I hate seeing us where we are now.

[The Pie Man]

Re: We're not rebuilding: Dogs

Can't be certain but I doubt very much any prospect would have talk down the playing list/told them where we would be right now and got the job.

I remember reading somewhere over the somewhere that Macca was asked to rate the list at some stage in the interview process, and he said something along the lines of 'don't ever ask me that question' reasoning that it's about a group's buy in to the game plan and intensity at the contest that determine's results (also recall something about 'X factor' being one of his most hated terms when describing players)

If that took place, wouldn't alarm bells start?

[The Pie Man]

Re: We're not rebuilding: Dogs

Murphy was asked on AFL 360, why is Boyd saying its not a rebuild. Murph said I guess when you talk about a rebuild it means bottoming out and the club doesn't see that they are bottoming out, and to then climb again, they are trying to improve on the base they have now.

When dissected, the 'we're not bottoming out' line seems disengenous - though I thought Murph wriggled out of that line of questioning pretty well at the time. He did repeat that they've got to improve the 'now'

[chef]

Re: We're not rebuilding: Dogs

It's a bit pessimistic isn't it?.

No. I think that it is realistic to think that we are still going to get worse before we start to get better. These kids that will be drafted(as long as they are decent) are going to take 3-5seasons before they can start making a difference(there will be the odd exception who comes on quicker).

[Dry Rot]

Re: We're not rebuilding: Dogs

No. I think that it is realistic to think that we are still going to get worse before we start to get better. These kids that will be drafted(as long as they are decent) are going to take 3-5seasons before they can start making a difference(there will be the odd exception who comes on quicker).

And the senior brigade will begin to fall away, cop injuries and retire. Improvements in Dahl, Wallis, Libba and Smith won't cover this.

Meanwhile, Port and the Demons starting rebuilding, sorry refreshing their lists and will get better, and in the next 2 seasons GC and GWS will really improve.

[Remi Moses]

Re: We're not rebuilding: Dogs

Melbourne's been rebuilding for 5 years and gone backwards this year.

[Dry Rot]

Re: We're not rebuilding: Dogs

Melbourne's been rebuilding for 5 years and gone backwards this year.

See how they go in year 2 of the new coach.

[LostDoggy]

Re: We're not rebuilding: Dogs

If a refresh was all that was required then why didn't the club make Cameron coach with Eade as football manager?

[azabob]

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If a refresh was all the required then why didn't the club make Cameron coach with Eade if football manager?

Good idea in theory, but surely Eade would not have gone for this arrangement and not sure Cameron would like it either. Too much history and too raw.

[GVGjr]

Re: We're not rebuilding: Dogs

The club made a huge mistake leading out with the word refresh when asked if they were going to do a rebuild.
They should have just floated it was a 'Re-engineer of the playing list and game plan' and let the media and fans decide what that really means.

[Remi Moses]

Re: We're not rebuilding: Dogs

If we're not rebuilding why did we activate our Compo picks ?

[jeemak]

Re: We're not rebuilding: Dogs

Why does any of this really matter?

I'm not convinced our crowd numbers or membership numbers would be up with an admission of a rebuild, to be honest.

If anyone can show me the positive benefits of admitting a rebuild versus the negative outcomes of falsley claiming a refresh, and they prove a drop in membership and support at home games then I'll gladly eat some humble pie.

In the meantime, I call BS on the whole lot. We're eating krud on the back of missing out once again in 2008-2010, and as supporters we need to move on and get behind our current charge.

[Mantis]

Re: We're not rebuilding: Dogs

In the meantime, I call BS on the whole lot. We're eating krud on the back of missing out once again in 2008-2010, and as supporters we need to move on and get behind our current charge.

Why?

Speaking for myself and a few other Bulldogs members/ supporters I know we all invested a lot of time and energy into supporting the team through the period mentioned. Getting so close to the ultimate glory has left a hollow pit in the stomach which makes backing up tougher and tougher... The last 18 months has been tough and with the last 6 to 8 weeks even worse many are finding it hard to condure up the energy to go again.

[ledge]

Re: We're not rebuilding: Dogs

I cant go to games at the moment, not because we are losing but the frustration of not seeing us take the game on and kick goals, don t mind losing if i think we are trying to score but its all defense at the moment