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  • Remi Moses
    WOOF Member
    • Jan 2009
    • 14785

    #16
    Re: Lightning Lin wants back six spot

    Agree with the above posters.
    Decision making and disposal improvements imperative for Lin.

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    • Mantis
      Hall of Fame
      • Apr 2007
      • 15201

      #17
      Re: Lightning Lin wants back six spot

      Originally posted by jeemak
      Though I think his courage is going to give him a bit of a free pass from scrutiny from a lot of our supporters over the course of his development. For some reason if a player exhibits that particular trait many others just as important tend to get overlooked.
      Crazy isn't it. It's great to be able to win the ball, but if you give it straight back you are defeating the purpose of your previous actions.

      Give me a moderately courageous player with good skills over a hard-nut turn-over merchant every day of the week... and twice on Sundays.

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      • Bulldog Joe
        Premiership Moderator
        • Jul 2009
        • 5438

        #18
        Re: Lightning Lin wants back six spot

        Originally posted by Mantis
        Crazy isn't it. It's great to be able to win the ball, but if you give it straight back you are defeating the purpose of your previous actions.

        Give me a moderately courageous player with good skills over a hard-nut turn-over merchant every day of the week... and twice on Sundays.
        Not sure I can agree with this.

        If a player is only going to go when it suits he is not going to get it very often and his skills become irrelevant.

        I do agree that we still need the courageous play to be coupled with retention of possession, but you can't compromise on attack on the ball unless you are playing a purely outside role. I don't believe the purely outside role really exists in the current game and certainly not in the BMac game.
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        • Ghost Dog
          WOOF Member
          • May 2010
          • 9404

          #19
          Re: Lightning Lin wants back six spot

          Originally posted by Greystache
          He can find the ball and isn't frightened to put his body on the line, that's two of the most important skills a player needs. Boyd is a terrible disposer of the ball, but has made a career out of being able to get it, Jong has this ability too with the added bonus of elite speed.
          That's fine, but if we have 3 guys like this playing at the same time, it causes a massive headache. Jong, Smith, Boyd. These three butcher the ball by foot. ( Might be tempted to add Easton Wood to the list of 'worrisome' footskills or at least decision making ...loves a good hail mary ).

          edit - I stand corrected that Smith's kicking seems to have improved and in the NAB he was ok. Wait and see how it goes in the season proper.
          Last edited by Ghost Dog; 20-02-2013, 11:06 AM.
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          • Mofra
            Hall of Fame
            • Dec 2006
            • 14797

            #20
            Re: Lightning Lin wants back six spot

            Originally posted by Ghost Dog
            That's fine, but if we have 3 guys like this playing at the same time, it causes a massive headache. Jong, Smith, Boyd. These three butcher the ball by foot. ( Might be tempted to add Easton Wood to the list of 'worrisome' footskills or at least decision making ...loves a good hail mary )
            Smiths' issue seemed to me to be entirely based on his ball drop rather than his action itself - I think his issue is a little more "fixable" than others (others noted his action during training and the NAB cup is alot better. Jones' action seemed to have imporved as well).

            I'd rank them as Boyd wont improve, Smith probably will, Jong might.
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            • The Underdog
              Bulldog Team of the Century
              • Aug 2007
              • 6744

              #21
              Re: Lightning Lin wants back six spot

              Originally posted by Mantis
              Crazy isn't it. It's great to be able to win the ball, but if you give it straight back you are defeating the purpose of your previous actions.

              Give me a moderately courageous player with good skills over a hard-nut turn-over merchant every day of the week... and twice on Sundays.
              So now you're a Nathan Eagleton fan?
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              • boydogs
                WOOF Member
                • Apr 2009
                • 5842

                #22
                Re: Lightning Lin wants back six spot

                Originally posted by Bulldog Joe
                Not sure I can agree with this.

                If a player is only going to go when it suits he is not going to get it very often and his skills become irrelevant.

                I do agree that we still need the courageous play to be coupled with retention of possession, but you can't compromise on attack on the ball unless you are playing a purely outside role. I don't believe the purely outside role really exists in the current game and certainly not in the BMac game.
                It's a decision making thing, a ruckman doesn't take a bounce and pinpoint a 50m pass, they hand it off to the players with the ability to pull it off.

                Originally posted by The Underdog
                So now you're a Nathan Eagleton fan?
                Lol
                If you kicked five goals and Tom Boyd kicked five goals, Tom Boyd kicked more goals than you.

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                • Missing-Dog
                  WOOF Member
                  • Jan 2007
                  • 3102

                  #23
                  Re: Lightning Lin wants back six spot

                  Originally posted by Mantis
                  Crazy isn't it. It's great to be able to win the ball, but if you give it straight back you are defeating the purpose of your previous actions.

                  Give me a moderately courageous player with good skills over a hard-nut turn-over merchant every day of the week... and twice on Sundays.
                  You must have been a big fan of Nathan Eagleton then...wait a minute!

                  Seriously though. I'm a big fan of Lin, he's got all the tools just needs to make better decisions with the ball in hand. I think he'll get there and when he does watch out we may have a cult hero on our hands.

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                  • GVGjr
                    Moderator
                    • Nov 2006
                    • 43906

                    #24
                    Re: Lightning Lin wants back six spot

                    No player comes into the game with a perfect ten on all skill sets. Every player has weaknesses in their game. Technique stuff can be taught and improved on. Surely that is what all these coaching staff are there for. Game awareness should come with experience. However, you can not teach courage, a fighting spirit, or determination. I would prefer to start out with a player who has those attributes, rather than a silky skilled one who does not.

                    One you can coach and improve, the other is a case of what you see is all you get.

                    I don't know if Lin will make it at the top level or not, I hope he does. But I am pretty impressed with the positives he brings to the table, and think he is off to a very good start.

                    The improvement rate he demonstrated last season going from novice in the Willy reserves to a number of senior games with the Dogs would be remarkable for a kid who had played the game all his life, let alone a comparative novice.
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                    • Bornadog
                      WOOF Clubhouse Leader
                      • Jan 2007
                      • 65603

                      #25
                      Re: Lightning Lin wants back six spot



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                      • Bornadog
                        WOOF Clubhouse Leader
                        • Jan 2007
                        • 65603

                        #26
                        Re: Lightning Lin wants back six spot

                        Enjoy



                        Translated:

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                        • Go_Dogs
                          Hall of Fame
                          • Jan 2007
                          • 10075

                          #27
                          Re: Lightning Lin wants back six spot

                          Originally posted by The Bulldogs Bite
                          Much does depend on his ability to improve his decision making and disposal by foot.

                          However, he's got a lot of attributes to work with. Big body, height, elite speed, athletic, finds plenty of the ball, extremely courageous and very good in a contested situation.

                          It wouldn't surprise me to see him become a very good footballer, but the decision making and especially/moreso the disposal needs to improve -- particularly given where our deficiencies lay at currently.
                          Agree with all that.

                          There was one contest on Friday when he get in very low and hard, won the ball and then very quickly recovered his feet and got away from the contest - it was almost Griff circa 2005/6 off half back like. To be a defender he's going to need to make significant improvements to his disposal and decision making but he seems driven to keep working on it.

                          I like him, hope he continues to improve and makes it.
                          Have you heard Butters wants to come to the Dogs?

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                          • Maddog37
                            WOOF Member
                            • Nov 2010
                            • 3132

                            #28
                            Re: Lightning Lin wants back six spot

                            Originally posted by bornadog
                            Enjoy



                            Translated:

                            I am the Strength of Men We do strong pillars of our step-by-step to do a good job chest Han I heat with 100 points out of 1000 by Edward To be a good man Intestinal blood hot hot More light than the sun Let the sea and the sky for me Poly energy
                             To making the ideal for me to make their fortune See blue high-Zhuang To see clear blue sky and bright young noble spirit I am the Strength of Men

                            Face waves million arrogance Blood as the red sun Iron gall bone, such as stainless steel may Zhangting minded vision of thousands of miles long I work hard to do a good job Han A day to be a good man to self-improvement Han blood man more light than the sun Let the sea and the sky for me Poly energy To making the ideal for me to make their fortune See blue high-Zhuang To see clear blue sky and bright young noble spirit

                            My thoughts exactly!

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                            • Missing Dog
                              WOOF Member
                              • Jan 2007
                              • 8501

                              #29
                              Re: Lightning Lin wants back six spot

                              Originally posted by chef
                              can't see him having a very long career unless he can dramatically improve his disposal by hand and foot.
                              Croosy has made a fair career with us, why can't Lin do the same?????

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                              • Mofra
                                Hall of Fame
                                • Dec 2006
                                • 14797

                                #30
                                Re: Lightning Lin wants back six spot

                                Originally posted by bornadog
                                I am the Strength of Men We do strong pillars of our step-by-step to do a good job chest Han I heat with 100 points out of 1000 by Edward To be a good man Intestinal blood hot hot More light than the sun Let the sea and the sky for me Poly energy
                                 To making the ideal for me to make their fortune See blue high-Zhuang To see clear blue sky and bright young noble spirit I am the Strength of Men

                                Face waves million arrogance Blood as the red sun Iron gall bone, such as stainless steel may Zhangting minded vision of thousands of miles long I work hard to do a good job Han A day to be a good man to self-improvement Han blood man more light than the sun Let the sea and the sky for me Poly energy To making the ideal for me to make their fortune See blue high-Zhuang To see clear blue sky and bright young noble spirit
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