Time for Chris Grant to be awarded the Brownlow - Peter Gordon

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  • Bornadog
    WOOF Clubhouse Leader
    • Jan 2007
    • 67687

    #1

    Time for Chris Grant to be awarded the Brownlow - Peter Gordon

    Wouldn't it be nice

    Peter's to-do list1.
    Lots of talk this week about amending the rules so Freo’s Nat Fyfe can be eligible for this year’s Brownlow Medal despite suspension. Fair enough, but first things first. Time to right an historic wrong and award Chris Grant the Brownlow everyone knows he won. His entitlement was stripped by a flawed tribunal decision initiated by a flawed tribunal process later amended by the AFL to bring its judicial system into line with modern legal standards. There’s been no fairer and better player in the game than Grant and it’s time the competition recognised it properly. Letter to Mike Fitzpatrick and to Gill ... let’s make this right.


    2. Had a chuckle with Simon Garlick in Launceston (or was it just our teeth chattering?) at the latest rumour (courtesy of Wayne Carey) that we’d offered GWS’s Jonathon Patton $5 million for five years to come to the Bulldogs. It isn’t true and Simon denied it on SEN. But then I thought: “It’s not as if we aren’t and won’t be, active in this trade period. What if someone stumbles on the right mail about a trade discussion?”Memo to Simon, Graham and Jason: “From now on, our position on any rumoured trade is, ‘We don’t discuss trades unless they are done’.” It does no good and prevents our fans from one of the true joys of fandom – speculating about what the club might be about to do!


    3. I know it wasn’t our finest game but going by the stats posted on the Launceston electronic scoreboard during the breaks, you’d think we never got a kick and never scored a point. They put up only the Hawthorn stats as some breathlessly parochial announcer lauded the local team. Memo to (ground manager) “Captain” Robert Groenewegon: “This is your president speaking. Hope you enjoyed your three-course lunch. It’ll be the last involving a Western Bulldogs game in Launceston if that keeps up!”
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  • Bornadog
    WOOF Clubhouse Leader
    • Jan 2007
    • 67687

    #2
    Re: Time for Chris Grant to be awarded the Brownlow - Peter Gordon

    Love Peter's to do list.
    FFC: Established 1883

    Premierships: AFL 1954, 2016 VFA - 1898,99,1900, 1908, 1913, 1919-20, 1923-24, VFL: 2014, 2016 . Champions of Victoria 1924. AFLW - 2018.

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    • KT31
      WOOF Member
      • Jul 2008
      • 5455

      #3
      Re: Time for Chris Grant to be awarded the Brownlow - Peter Gordon

      No sensible and sane man could disagree that Chris deserves his Brownlow.
      Problem is the AFL is not run by sensible and sane men.
      On Captain Gronners's, it seems to be a bit of a theme with some past players not remembering which club they came from.
      Looking at YOU, Luke Darcy !
      It's better to die on our feet than live on our knees.

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      • LostDoggy
        WOOF Member
        • Jan 2007
        • 8307

        #4
        Re: Time for Chris Grant to be awarded the Brownlow - Peter Gordon

        Imagine being on that plane, after 17 cans, and hearing Rob announce that.

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        • KT31
          WOOF Member
          • Jul 2008
          • 5455

          #5
          Re: Time for Chris Grant to be awarded the Brownlow - Peter Gordon

          Originally posted by M.R.M
          Imagine being on that plane, after 17 cans, and hearing Rob announce that.
          After 17 cans, I wouldn't be able to make sense of what the real Captain or Captain Gronners was saying.
          It's better to die on our feet than live on our knees.

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          • Scraggers
            Premiership Moderator
            • Jun 2008
            • 3584

            #6
            Re: Time for Chris Grant to be awarded the Brownlow - Peter Gordon

            Didn't Corey McKernan lose a Brownlow as well because of suspension ... The year before Grant he tied with Hird and Voss on 22 or 21 votes (or something close to that) but was denied because of an earlier suspension.

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            • Bornadog
              WOOF Clubhouse Leader
              • Jan 2007
              • 67687

              #7
              Re: Time for Chris Grant to be awarded the Brownlow - Peter Gordon

              Originally posted by Scraggers
              Didn't Corey McKernan lose a Brownlow as well because of suspension ... The year before Grant he tied with Hird and Voss on 22 or 21 votes (or something close to that) but was denied because of an earlier suspension.
              Yes, but that was different.

              Chris was suspended after an unprecedented intervention by Collo. The Brownlow is awarded by the umpires and those days the umpires cleared Chris and he wasn't sent to the tribunal. It should have been the end of it, but Collo broke the AFL rules - bastard.
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              • LostDoggy
                WOOF Member
                • Jan 2007
                • 8307

                #8
                Re: Time for Chris Grant to be awarded the Brownlow - Peter Gordon

                Originally posted by bornadog
                Yes, but that was different.

                Chris was suspended after an unprecedented intervention by Collo. The Brownlow is awarded by the umpires and those days the umpires cleared Chris and he wasn't sent to the tribunal. It should have been the end of it, but Collo broke the AFL rules - bastard.
                Yep all field umps, even after reviewing the replay after the game cleared Chris of any wrong doing, but good old Collins stuck his head in and usurped the original decision, eventually Grant was given 1 week for a 'clumsy free'. But they cannot give him the Brownlow in retrospect, it wouldn't seem right, and do you strip Harvey of his?

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                • Scraggers
                  Premiership Moderator
                  • Jun 2008
                  • 3584

                  #9
                  Re: Time for Chris Grant to be awarded the Brownlow - Peter Gordon

                  Originally posted by bornadog
                  Yes, but that was different.

                  Chris was suspended after an unprecedented intervention by Collo. The Brownlow is awarded by the umpires and those days the umpires cleared Chris and he wasn't sent to the tribunal. It should have been the end of it, but Collo broke the AFL rules - bastard.
                  What you say is true ... and it is an abomination on our game. This wrong needs to be righted BUT unfortunately it was the rule/linguine of the day and for Chris to be reinstated as the true Brownlow medallist of 1997 one of two things need to happen

                  1. Robert Harvey needs to be stripped of the 97 Brownlow, Collins dragged over the coals for his interference, and Chris needs to receive an award ceremony presenting this award to the rightful owner (THIS IS NEVER GOING TO HAPPEN) or

                  2. The Brownlow becomes the best player award NOT the fairest and best player award ... This is more plausible because Fyfe will then have his medal (and you are good enough to poll enough votes to win the medal even after missing games through suspension then good luck to you), McKernan will receive his and so will Chris Grant.

                  To me, the medal is now only the best player anyway ... If Jobe Watson is able to keep his medallion after testing positive to banned substances, then its a farce.

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                  • Flamethrower
                    Senior Player
                    • Oct 2009
                    • 1401

                    #10
                    Re: Time for Chris Grant to be awarded the Brownlow - Peter Gordon

                    Originally posted by Scraggers
                    What you say is true ... and it is an abomination on our game. This wrong needs to be righted BUT unfortunately it was the rule/linguine of the day and for Chris to be reinstated as the true Brownlow medallist of 1997 one of two things need to happen

                    1. Robert Harvey needs to be stripped of the 97 Brownlow, Collins dragged over the coals for his interference, and Chris needs to receive an award ceremony presenting this award to the rightful owner (THIS IS NEVER GOING TO HAPPEN) or

                    2. The Brownlow becomes the best player award NOT the fairest and best player award ... This is more plausible because Fyfe will then have his medal (and you are good enough to poll enough votes to win the medal even after missing games through suspension then good luck to you), McKernan will receive his and so will Chris Grant.

                    To me, the medal is now only the best player anyway ... If Jobe Watson is able to keep his medallion after testing positive to banned substances, then its a farce.
                    Jobe (and the other Essendon players) have never tested positive to anything. In fact the opposite is true....a number of Essendon players had samples sent to the WADA labs in Cologne when the AFL suspected that they were taking PEDs...all tested negative! That is why the whole saga is still dragging on....ASADA and the AFL are trying to build a case using circumstantial evidence only.

                    Can't see Turtle getting what is rightfully his until the Carlton scum who stole it from him by inventing new rules to suit himself is long gone.
                    Footscray member since 1980.

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                    • boydogs
                      WOOF Member
                      • Apr 2009
                      • 5845

                      #11
                      Re: Time for Chris Grant to be awarded the Brownlow - Peter Gordon

                      Originally posted by Scraggers
                      Didn't Corey McKernan lose a Brownlow as well because of suspension ... The year before Grant he tied with Hird and Voss on 22 or 21 votes (or something close to that) but was denied because of an earlier suspension.
                      Originally posted by bornadog
                      Yes, but that was different.
                      McKernan was badly robbed - he tied for the medal, but missed out in obvious vote getting games after his suspension. The umpires seemed to skip over him in the knowledge that a vote for McKernan was a waste
                      If you kicked five goals and Tom Boyd kicked five goals, Tom Boyd kicked more goals than you.

                      Formerly gogriff

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                      • Remi Moses
                        WOOF Member
                        • Jan 2009
                        • 14785

                        #12
                        Re: Time for Chris Grant to be awarded the Brownlow - Peter Gordon

                        Time for a premiership
                        Time we moved on ( been down this road before)
                        Time Collins admitted he really is sub-human

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                        • Topdog
                          Bulldog Team of the Century
                          • Jan 2007
                          • 7483

                          #13
                          Re: Time for Chris Grant to be awarded the Brownlow - Peter Gordon

                          Originally posted by gogriff
                          McKernan was badly robbed - he tied for the medal, but missed out in obvious vote getting games after his suspension. The umpires seemed to skip over him in the knowledge that a vote for McKernan was a waste
                          So he wasn't robbed at all. They knew he was ineligible for it and stopped giving him useless votes.

                          His act for suspension.



                          Reported by the umpire, suspended by the tribunal.

                          Can't find any video for Grant, but not reported by umpires, umpires told by Collo to review, again not reported, Collo books him using powers never used before or after, 3 umpires tell tribunal that he shouldnt be suspended for that, somehow found guilty.

                          The 2 aren't even comparable as unlucky as McKernan was.

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                          • Axe Man
                            Hall of Fame
                            • Nov 2008
                            • 11486

                            #14
                            Re: Time for Chris Grant to be awarded the Brownlow - Peter Gordon

                            Open Mike with Chris Grant - Nick Holland incident at around the 7:00 minute mark.

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                            • Happy Days
                              Hall of Fame
                              • May 2008
                              • 10243

                              #15
                              Re: Time for Chris Grant to be awarded the Brownlow - Peter Gordon

                              Of course they should strip Harvey of the medal, given that he didn't actually win it I don't think he has much qualm to be upset about it.

                              The complaints about Fyfe potentially winning the count are really pissing me off; it's not like this is a unique case, let alone the most egregious instance of this specific set of circumstances playing out.
                              - I'm a visionary - Only here to confirm my biases -

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