South Australian Junior Football

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oh and another thing, there's no no real advantage for SANFL clubs in producing AFL draftees. It used to be a handsome reward from the AFL for every player drafted, then more per matches played, debut, etc. Now each club gets a flat payment from the AFL for player development, irregardless if 10 or 0 get drafted.

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oh and another thing, there's no no real advantage for SANFL clubs in producing AFL draftees. It used to be a handsome reward from the AFL for every player drafted, then more per matches played, debut, etc. Now each club gets a flat payment from the AFL for player development, irregardless if 10 or 0 get drafted.

Pretty weak excuse by SA clubs if they don't take a lot of pride in players that come through their pathway to the AFL.
They should be doing all that that they can to see their boys succeed.

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Pretty weak excuse by SA clubs if they don't take a lot of pride in players that come through their pathway to the AFL.
They should be doing all that that they can to see their boys succeed.

My club contributes more than any. On a personal level for those players it's brilliant. But to take the other side of view, why should a SANFL club want their players drafted? I doubt South Adelaide will be pleased with two of their best players getting rookie drafted to Port Adelaide this year as Mature Age recruits.

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My club contributes more than any. On a personal level for those players it's brilliant. But to take the other side of view, why should a SANFL club want their players drafted? I doubt South Adelaide will be pleased with two of their best players getting rookie drafted to Port Adelaide this year as Mature Age recruits.

They should want players to be drafted because it will also attract better players coming to them. I remember hearing Gary Ayers talk about VFL players moving to the AFL. There was a sense of pride in seeing boys he coached moving to the AFL.

I've got to say it appears to be an incredibly short sighted stance if clubs in SA aren't that fussed about developing players but it probably in part explains why a very strong football state didn't get a lot of players selected in the National draft.

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I think Doc asked about footy in Tas and from what I hear it's hugely underfunded. Matthew Armstrong heads up the AFL football development in Tasmania and I believe clubs receive as little as a 100K to bring in players and develop them.

From a junior football perspective they need to start up the Mariners again or have players linked to Melbourne clubs so that the top end talent receive more exposure to the AFL.
From the players just out of the junior ranks many of them are heading over to the VFL to test themselves in a far superior standard because the standard of the state league in Tasmania has slipped. The 100K each club gets isn't attracting the best players. It needs to be twice that amount to improve the competition.

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They should want players to be drafted because it will also attract better players coming to them. I remember hearing Gary Ayers talk about VFL players moving to the AFL. There was a sense of pride in seeing boys he coached moving to the AFL.

I've got to say it appears to be an incredibly short sighted stance if clubs in SA aren't that fussed about developing players but it probably in part explains why a very strong football state didn't get a lot of players selected in the National draft.

As much as I wish Long and Hannan were still involved with the Dogs, it's a huge feather in our cap that we developed 2 relatively unknown players and turned them into AFL quality. That sort of result will no doubt lead to other talented players wanting to be part of our program, improving our overall list with higher training standards and more internal competition.

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They should want players to be drafted because it will also attract better players coming to them. I remember hearing Gary Ayers talk about VFL players moving to the AFL. There was a sense of pride in seeing boys he coached moving to the AFL.

I've got to say it appears to be an incredibly short sighted stance if clubs in SA aren't that fussed about developing players but it probably in part explains why a very strong football state didn't get a lot of players selected in the National draft.

I agree, but (as an example) the senior coach of a Sanfl side has nothing to gain and everything to lose if say 4 or 5 players get drafted. The board, fans and sponsors would prefer a premiership rather than some kid they have never heard f because he only played u18 or reserves go to Brisbane Lions in the rookie draft. The old rules (where clubs got a monetary reward for players drafted) was much better in my opinion.

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I agree, but (as an example) the senior coach of a Sanfl side has nothing to gain and everything to lose if say 4 or 5 players get drafted. The board, fans and sponsors would prefer a premiership rather than some kid they have never heard f because he only played u18 or reserves go to Brisbane Lions in the rookie draft. The old rules (where clubs got a monetary reward for players drafted) was much better in my opinion.

Reading this reminds me of that old management saying along the lines of
Line Manager "Why should I spend time, money and effort training the team if they all eventually leave?"
General Manager "What happens if you don't spend it and they all stay?"

I would have thought that senior coaches see the bigger picture but if they are in effect holding back players for selfish club first and player second reasons then I'd suggest they probably aren't good coaches and will get found out in the longer term.

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Reading this reminds me of that old management saying along the lines of
Line Manager "Why should I spend time, money and effort training the team if they all eventually leave?"
General Manager "What happens if you don't spend it and they all stay?"

I would have thought that senior coaches see the bigger picture but if they are in effect holding back players for selfish club first and player second reasons then I'd suggest they probably aren't good coaches and will get found out in the longer term.

The most successful club in the last 15 years in the Sanfl (central districts) have probably had the least number of AFL draftees.

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The most successful club in the last 15 years in the Sanfl (central districts) have probably had the least number of AFL draftees.

I think that is OK if that is what you are known for and how you advertise your club. As a club they don't hide the fact that they play games just to win and younger players can make the decision to settle for the state league and focus on being a SANFL player rather than chasing an AFL career.
I'd see it more of a problem if other clubs are holding back younger players because they don't really want them to be drafted.

I get your reasoning behind why some clubs might not see their younger players being drafted as a good thing but it's still a very disappointing approach.

It probably suggests that the AFL should move the junior footballers in SA away from SANFL clubs into a competition like the TAC.

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The Glenelg CEO (Glenn Elliott) recently wrote this

Glenelg's AFL talent drain
The Club fully supports players who progress to the elite level of AFL football and wouldn’t and can’t stand in the way of same. No one begrudges any player, staff member or coach bettering themselves at AFL level as it is an outstanding achievement - but it does come at some cost. Consider Glenelg’s case:
• 16 players drafted since 2011
• Only 3 players have returned to the Bays following their AFL experience
• Every SANFL club receives the same Talent Fee of $50k each year regardless of how many players are AFL drafted, this is simply not equitable
Following the Draft, the Rookie Draft presents its own peculiarities. To lose an 18 year old to an interstate Club is difficult enough, but to lose him to the Crows or Power and have him play against his own Club and mates is difficult for all Clubs. And of the course the young men who are overlooked, what is in place to assist them overcome their disappointment apart from family and a few close friends ?
This is life in the AFL for SANFL Clubs and importantly the players at our level, we are just part of the system.

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I've got no numbers to back this up, but over the last 5 years I'd guess Norwood have been up there for most players drafted?

That was during a very successful period, too.

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The Glenelg CEO (Glenn Elliott) recently wrote this

Glenelg's AFL talent drain
The Club fully supports players who progress to the elite level of AFL football and wouldn’t and can’t stand in the way of same. No one begrudges any player, staff member or coach bettering themselves at AFL level as it is an outstanding achievement - but it does come at some cost. Consider Glenelg’s case:
• 16 players drafted since 2011
• Only 3 players have returned to the Bays following their AFL experience
• Every SANFL club receives the same Talent Fee of $50k each year regardless of how many players are AFL drafted, this is simply not equitable
Following the Draft, the Rookie Draft presents its own peculiarities. To lose an 18 year old to an interstate Club is difficult enough, but to lose him to the Crows or Power and have him play against his own Club and mates is difficult for all Clubs. And of the course the young men who are overlooked, what is in place to assist them overcome their disappointment apart from family and a few close friends ?
This is life in the AFL for SANFL Clubs and importantly the players at our level, we are just part of the system.

I checked into this a bit further and I wasn't aware of Glenelg's financial plight. I'd say the focus of even a respected administrator like Elliott is clouded given the level of dept he is trying to manage.

I suspect the parents of talented junior footballers should be a bit reluctant to align with Glenelg at the moment because it's not a glowing endorsement of the focus of the club.

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I've got no numbers to back this up, but over the last 5 years I'd guess Norwood have been up there for most players drafted?

That was during a very successful period, too.

Norwood has had a lot as well. So have WWT who have choked up the last two grand finals




Current Glenelg players in the AFL

Andrew Mackie Geelong
Matt Scharenberg Collingwood
Jack Redden West Coast
Bryce Gibbs Carlton
Billy Stretch Melbourne
Lachie Neale Fremantlecc
Alex Neal-Bullen Melbourne
Cory Gregson Geelong
Ben Kennedy Melbourne
Tim O'Brien Hawthorn
Jordan Murdoch Geelong
Lincoln McCarthy Geelong
Bailey Williams Western Bulldogs
Mason Redman Essendon
Matt Allen West Coast Eagles
Willie Rioli West Coast Eagles
Mitch Hinge Brisbane Lions
Liam Mackie Collingwood
Toby Pink Sydney Swans


+ Add ex Juniors

Hamish Hartlett Port Adelaide
Jordan Dawson Sydney Swans
Ryan Burton Hawthorn
Brayden Maynard Collingwood
Jack Trengove Melbourne

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STate u18's coaching job

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